Well, it’s happening again.

[JExpedition07]

Actually if that 2011 is real clean, and fully loaded, like tow package, sunroof, 4 wheel drive, crew cab, Nada estimates it at $24,900. I punched in 6.2 engine and all the goodies. If you can get him down a bit, it's not out of line.

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I always eye up the 11-14’ 6.2L V8 F-150s. One of these days when one comes up again I’m going to grab it. Mostly Platinum and Harley Davidson trims but also Lariat Limited.

 

[1955moose]

The bigger motor 6.2's are harder to find, and they price them accordingly. Like a 60's muscle car, the difference between a 350 small block and a 427/454 can be a huge difference. That's why your dad or older brother always said buy the top line one if you can. Big difference down the road when you sell it. I'm betting that 6.2 motor pumps the price by at least 3 grand or more, simply cause theirs very few.

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[JExpedition07]

The bigger motor 6.2's are harder to find, and they price them accordingly. Like a 60's muscle car, the difference between a 350 small block and a 427/454 can be a huge difference. That's why your dad or older brother always said buy the top line one if you can. Big difference down the road when you sell it. I'm betting that 6.2 motor pumps the price by at least 3 grand or more, simply cause theirs very few.

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The 6.2 has a reputation of being bulletproof as well, and great point on the rarity. It’s the magical unicorn of the lineup. It’s the most powerful and fun engine in the F-150. Cant go wrong with 411 Hosepower and 434 lb ft of torque!

 

[jeff kushner]

My co-worker bought a Superduty 250 with the 6.2 engine and it is a marvel of SMOOTH! That engine at idle with the hood open is a third quieter than m,y 3.5!

Yeah, it's a nice engine!

jeff

 

[TXFishin]

When a new truck can easily run $75000.00 MSRP, you have to expect an adjustment eventually. I have a wife, two kids, mortgage and monthly expenses. I'm a middle middle class, adult male, the target audience for these new truck, and there is no I could or would spend that much on a new truck when I can get one 2 years old for less then half of a new one.

^ This

The price on new trucks and SUV's are insane, and right behind that is the people who are financing ridiculously long terms, greater than 5 to 6 years.

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[jimz]

Since Ford is a worldwide seller and other countries economies seem to be less than that is America it makes me wonder what other countries pay for these high dollar vehicles and who buys them. But then I am amazed at how my grandkids afford to survive. Surely they all are bank robbers in disguise.

 

[Adieu]

Since Ford is a worldwide seller and other countries economies seem to be less than that is America it makes me wonder what other countries pay for these high dollar vehicles and who buys them. But then I am amazed at how my grandkids afford to survive. Surely they all are bank robbers in disguise.

Expedition, V8 F150's, and Superduty aren't even officially available in most markets, and special-order only where they are.

Ford showrooms in most markets flog 1.2L Focuses and the like.

 

[TXFishin]

Here is prime example.

A couple of years ago I bought a 2012 Ford Expedition EL Limited 4X4 with 65k miles on it, body and everything in mint condition, loaded with every option available, all leather, 3 tv screens, heated/cooled seats all the way around, front and rear captain chairs, auto leveling suspension, you name it, it has it.

I knew it needed some maintenance, engine checked out perfect, no oil leaks, compression issues, nothing like that, and being mechanically inclined I bought it for $12k

I wanted it for a secondary vehicle, family hauler, boat / RV towing, etc.

I wanted to put it back on top shape and be as reliable as I could.

I did all the work myself minus the tranny because I don't have facility to lift it and price was reasonable

To put it back on top shape, I did the following;

New battery

New Tires

New Plugs, fuel and air filter

Re-man tranny and transfer case

New 4X4 actuators (due to vacuum leak)

New half axle seals on the front

New brakes & rotors (heavy duty for towing)

Replaced manifold gasket and studs (known issue)

New bearing hub assembly

New Shocks / Springs front

Total invested when done, including cost of vehicle) about $22k

That same vehicle new, when I called around, with all options is running $76k to $84k

Even in the event I have to drop a new engine in it at some point, that would put me around $30k

Still less than half of a new vehicle in like new condition.


When I first seen the vehicle I could see it written all over it, a guy brings it in for brakes or something else minor, the salesmen walks up something along the lines of "Well, the brakes will cost $2,200 (which is crazy, heavy duty towing brakes and rotors DIY was around $375) then he explains the 4X4 actuators need replacing around $1,500 ($250 DIY), your manifold is starting to leak, another $2,000 ( $200 DIY), front shocks and springs $2,500 ($200 DIY), and the crazy list goes.

The customer is now looking at well over $8k just for some basic maintenance done at a shop, not including tires $1,200, tranny and transfer case, axle seals, etc at who knows how much a shop would cost.

The salesmen them turns around "You know, just for the cost of brakes and tires, I can put you in a brand new one under warranty for the same monthly notes.

The buyer doesn't care that it will be a 20 year loan, ending up paying close to $100k for a vehicle, all he cares about is the monthly payment.

And here I am, with a like new vehicle, paid off in 4 years.


I see the same thing, probably even worse when it comes to boats and RV's

It's beyond crazy


Relentless

 

[rjdelp7]

Here is prime example.

A couple of years ago I bought a 2012 Ford Expedition EL Limited 4X4 with 65k miles on it, body and everything in mint condition, loaded with every option available, all leather, 3 tv screens, heated/cooled seats all the way around, front and rear captain chairs, auto leveling suspension, you name it, it has it.

I knew it needed some maintenance, engine checked out perfect, no oil leaks, compression issues, nothing like that, and being mechanically inclined I bought it for $12k

I wanted it for a secondary vehicle, family hauler, boat / RV towing, etc.

I wanted to put it back on top shape and be as reliable as I could.

I did all the work myself minus the tranny because I don't have facility to lift it and price was reasonable

To put it back on top shape, I did the following;

New battery

New Tires

New Plugs, fuel and air filter

Re-man tranny and transfer case

New 4X4 actuators (due to vacuum leak)

New half axle seals on the front

New brakes & rotors (heavy duty for towing)

Replaced manifold gasket and studs (known issue)

New bearing hub assembly

New Shocks / Springs front

Total invested when done, including cost of vehicle) about $22k

That same vehicle new, when I called around, with all options is running $76k to $84k

Even in the event I have to drop a new engine in it at some point, that would put me around $30k

Still less than half of a new vehicle in like new condition.


When I first seen the vehicle I could see it written all over it, a guy brings it in for brakes or something else minor, the salesmen walks up something along the lines of "Well, the brakes will cost $2,200 (which is crazy, heavy duty towing brakes and rotors DIY was around $375) then he explains the 4X4 actuators need replacing around $1,500 ($250 DIY), your manifold is starting to leak, another $2,000 ( $200 DIY), front shocks and springs $2,500 ($200 DIY), and the crazy list goes.

The customer is now looking at well over $8k just for some basic maintenance done at a shop, not including tires $1,200, tranny and transfer case, axle seals, etc at who knows how much a shop would cost.

The salesmen them turns around "You know, just for the cost of brakes and tires, I can put you in a brand new one under warranty for the same monthly notes.

The buyer doesn't care that it will be a 20 year loan, ending up paying close to $100k for a vehicle, all he cares about is the monthly payment.

And here I am, with a like new vehicle, paid off in 4 years.


I see the same thing, probably even worse when it comes to boats and RV's

It's beyond crazy


Relentless

Putting $10K+ in a $12K 'back up' SUV, does not make sense. Why change a good transmission and transfer case? There has been others on this forum, that have amazingly done this. The 6R80 can go, at least 150k. Maybe 200k+. DIY is OK, but what is 'your' time worth? What if your AC goes or catalytic converters? Big dollar items. Hows is the driver seat and carpets? You get rear ended and totaled, all your going to get is book value. Realistically, the 2012 Expeditions sold for around $45K with rebates. 2012's do not have 4x4 actuators. It is Auto4wd and electronically controlled.

 

[JExpedition07]

wow changing out a 6R80 with 65k is pretty nuts. They are a bandless trans and when maintained they go 300,000+ miles with no rebuild.

They aren’t picky like the 4R.