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Has anybody found a H9 LED for the high beam that will fit in the light housing on a 2016 Expy without having to mod the housing?
Which H9 Hi-beam LED Will Fit 2016 Housing?
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RogerD1959
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What composite assembly do you have, Projector, or standard reflector? And did you get ARC Beam LEDs, its a type of LED Bulb, not a company, for the H-11 low beams? Give it up, if you have the projector, composite assembly, trust me you will never find HB-3 ARC Beam LEDs for the high beams, and no an H-3 wont work either. I started this sort of pricey horse and pony show back in March of this year! It has been an education to say the least, takes a lot of Zen, positive Chi, a steady hand with a moto-tool, non sloppy use of a hot glue gun, and careful control of the silicone sealant tube. About a day to modify the projector housing, (nope you don't have to bake it open), install the bulbs. Then you have to properly aim the system! A LED bulb has to be aimed-set-adjusted around three axis, at the bulb and the seat in the composite housing, Pitch, Roll, Yaw, kind of like an airplane flies! Nobody, messes with these critical nuance adjustments of aftermarket bulbs. So the rest of us get hillbilly blinded by these, "I never knew that", overdone, and undone, LED installations coming at us at night. You get that sorted, then you mount the composite assembly to the vehicle, and finish the adjusting-setting-aiming each lamp the way most of us are familiar with! First time around its a PITA! But done correctly, with ARC Beam LED bulbs, at night the view from the drivers seat is priceless! Do it right the first time, the installation will outlast the vehicle, and you will only have to fiddle with it that one time. Until a drunk driver slams into you, so its a do over for me! With the same bulbs! They lived through it! Housings didn't! but all the bulbs are just fine!
Tell me what you do have. Type of composite housings, H-11 Low-Beam LEDs, did you get LED CAN BUS Switch backs for the turn signals? What about the back end? You cant do this half way! Ewe, you are in NW Wisconsin! How far from Quack, Quack, Fond Dilly Whack? Hey, its a royal pain to do first time around. Trust me, I have made all the newbie screw ups my first time with it! Its why it took about a month of study, messing with all of it, many times over, before I finally sorted it out, figured all the tweaks I darn sure never knew existed. Got is all working perfectly in the end! So here has been your heads up! The reward, improved safety, is awesome! The Lamborghini style, late afternoon flash to pass, cracks me up every time! Its a huge Expedition EL, not a wee little million dollar supercar! On the 2015, 2016, and 2017 Expeditions there are no ready baked, plug and play, primary LED, solutions! Ours are the, 3 year production, red headed stepchildren of the lineage. Let me know what you have, Ill try and get you sorted out so its done in a weekend, not a moth or two like it was for me! Oh, High Beams, 9005, 6,000K, ARC Beam LEDs, 4,000-4,500 lumen output per bulb, nothing brighter! LEDs that are too bright messes, up the balance, and the blow back will wear you out driving at night, especially if there is snow all over the ground.
Tell me what you do have. Type of composite housings, H-11 Low-Beam LEDs, did you get LED CAN BUS Switch backs for the turn signals? What about the back end? You cant do this half way! Ewe, you are in NW Wisconsin! How far from Quack, Quack, Fond Dilly Whack? Hey, its a royal pain to do first time around. Trust me, I have made all the newbie screw ups my first time with it! Its why it took about a month of study, messing with all of it, many times over, before I finally sorted it out, figured all the tweaks I darn sure never knew existed. Got is all working perfectly in the end! So here has been your heads up! The reward, improved safety, is awesome! The Lamborghini style, late afternoon flash to pass, cracks me up every time! Its a huge Expedition EL, not a wee little million dollar supercar! On the 2015, 2016, and 2017 Expeditions there are no ready baked, plug and play, primary LED, solutions! Ours are the, 3 year production, red headed stepchildren of the lineage. Let me know what you have, Ill try and get you sorted out so its done in a weekend, not a moth or two like it was for me! Oh, High Beams, 9005, 6,000K, ARC Beam LEDs, 4,000-4,500 lumen output per bulb, nothing brighter! LEDs that are too bright messes, up the balance, and the blow back will wear you out driving at night, especially if there is snow all over the ground.
RogerD1959
2.5 Months Ltr, and Final Bill 22K+
What composite assembly do you have, Projector, or standard reflector? And did you get ARC Beam LEDs, its a type of LED Bulb, not a company, for the H-11 low beams? H-11s are the same as H-9s BTW. Give it up, if you have the projector, composite assembly, trust me you will never find HB-3 ARC Beam LEDs for the high beams, and no an H-3 wont work either. I started this sort of pricey horse and pony show back in March of this year! It has been an education to say the least, takes a lot of Zen, positive Chi, a steady hand with a moto-tool, non sloppy use of a hot glue gun, and careful control of the silicone sealant tube. About a day to modify the projector housing, (nope you don't have to bake it open), install the bulbs. Then you have to properly aim the system! A LED bulb has to be aimed-set-adjusted around three axis, at the bulb and the seat in the composite housing, Pitch, Roll, Yaw, kind of like an airplane flies! Nobody, messes with these critical nuance adjustments of aftermarket bulbs. So the rest of us get hillbilly blinded by these, "I never knew that", overdone, and undone, LED installations coming at us at night. You get that sorted, then you mount the composite assembly to the vehicle, and finish the adjusting-setting-aiming each lamp the way most of us are familiar with! First time around its a PITA! But done correctly, with ARC Beam LED bulbs, at night the view from the drivers seat is priceless! Do it right the first time, the installation will outlast the vehicle, and you will only have to fiddle with it that one time. Until a drunk driver slams into you, so its a do over for me! With the same bulbs! They lived through it! Housings didn't! but all the bulbs are just fine!
Tell me what you do have. Type of composite housings, H-11 Low-Beam LEDs, did you get LED CAN BUS Switch backs for the turn signals? What about the back end? You cant do this half way! Ewe, you are in NW Wisconsin! How far from Quack, Quack, Fond Dilly Whack? Hey, its a royal pain to do first time around. Trust me, I have made all the newbie screw ups my first time with it! Its why it took about a month of study, messing with all of it, many times over, before I finally sorted it out, figured all the tweaks I darn sure never knew existed. Got is all working perfectly in the end! So here has been your heads up! The reward, improved safety, is awesome! The Lamborghini style, late afternoon flash to pass, cracks me up every time! Its a huge Expedition EL, not a wee little million dollar supercar! On the 2015, 2016, and 2017 Expeditions there are no ready baked, plug and play, primary LED, solutions! Ours are the, 3 year production, red headed stepchildren of the lineage. Let me know what you have, Ill try and get you sorted out so its done in a weekend, not a moth or two like it was for me! Oh, High Beams, 9005, 6,000K, ARC Beam LEDs, 4,000-4,500 lumen output per bulb, nothing brighter! LEDs that are too bright messes, up the balance, and the blow back will wear you out driving at night, especially if there is snow all over the ground.
Tell me what you do have. Type of composite housings, H-11 Low-Beam LEDs, did you get LED CAN BUS Switch backs for the turn signals? What about the back end? You cant do this half way! Ewe, you are in NW Wisconsin! How far from Quack, Quack, Fond Dilly Whack? Hey, its a royal pain to do first time around. Trust me, I have made all the newbie screw ups my first time with it! Its why it took about a month of study, messing with all of it, many times over, before I finally sorted it out, figured all the tweaks I darn sure never knew existed. Got is all working perfectly in the end! So here has been your heads up! The reward, improved safety, is awesome! The Lamborghini style, late afternoon flash to pass, cracks me up every time! Its a huge Expedition EL, not a wee little million dollar supercar! On the 2015, 2016, and 2017 Expeditions there are no ready baked, plug and play, primary LED, solutions! Ours are the, 3 year production, red headed stepchildren of the lineage. Let me know what you have, Ill try and get you sorted out so its done in a weekend, not a moth or two like it was for me! Oh, High Beams, 9005, 6,000K, ARC Beam LEDs, 4,000-4,500 lumen output per bulb, nothing brighter! LEDs that are too bright messes, up the balance, and the blow back will wear you out driving at night, especially if there is snow all over the ground.
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I have projector low beams which take 9005's and "standard" lens high beams which take H9.
My thought was to get HID 6000k 55W for the low beams and maybe go LED for the high beams.
My thought was to get HID 6000k 55W for the low beams and maybe go LED for the high beams.
RogerD1959
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There is a clearance problem with the H-9's. Which are the same as H-11's. But guess what, the 9005's will fit in the high beam location. Since we both have the same year Expy's, and the same composite system, in mine, 9005's did not fit the low beam side. I had to use the H-11's, which are the same as H-9's. The base, and the seals are different, the 9005 is smaller. I will get a couple of photos and put them up here so you can see what I am referring to. However, and this is embarrassing, I could have it backwards. When I removed everything from the old composite housings at the body shop, I forgot to note which bulb went in what position, that brane fart has me doubting myself just a little now.
I also need to check something, the company that made the 9005 ARC Beam LED'S I have just came out with an upgrade. I prefer the EV ARC Beam bulbs because they have a more robust construction. However, since I have to kind of do it over, the Fluxbeam ARC Beam 9005 bulbs I have in the high beam location, have a version 2 out. They have version 2 bulbs for both locations. However, because of the Science involved in this, that nobody takes into consideration, the version 2 bulbs are best suited for the high beam location. The newer bulbs have a higher Lumen output, and I was surprised to see this company increase the Lumens on the low beam bulbs. I will probably put the version 2 bulbs in the high beam location. Keep, oh this pees me off, what ever was in the low beam side the same old, same old. Did you do the turn signals? What about the back end? I will try to get some more detail up here later today.
I also need to check something, the company that made the 9005 ARC Beam LED'S I have just came out with an upgrade. I prefer the EV ARC Beam bulbs because they have a more robust construction. However, since I have to kind of do it over, the Fluxbeam ARC Beam 9005 bulbs I have in the high beam location, have a version 2 out. They have version 2 bulbs for both locations. However, because of the Science involved in this, that nobody takes into consideration, the version 2 bulbs are best suited for the high beam location. The newer bulbs have a higher Lumen output, and I was surprised to see this company increase the Lumens on the low beam bulbs. I will probably put the version 2 bulbs in the high beam location. Keep, oh this pees me off, what ever was in the low beam side the same old, same old. Did you do the turn signals? What about the back end? I will try to get some more detail up here later today.
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Again, I have projector low beams with 9005's and standard high beams with H9's.
The bulb location in the H9 highbeams are offset.
The bulb location in the H9 highbeams are offset.
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Thank you Langer! Now I have to order HID's for the low beams.
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RogerD1959
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Still working your issue. I think if you move to HID's the Composite Housing already has the infrastructure inside to install, mount, some of the components. On, Ford, factory HID installations the bulb, or the projector lens, gets adjusted automatically each time the vehicle is started. LED's last the life of the vehicle, like I said, you go through the fussy installation process once. You never do it again, the P.I.T.A. process anyway, unless a drunk driver hits the front of your Expedition, or you hit a tree. HID's are probably much less complicated to install, especially if its a vehicle specific retrofit kit.
The only issues I have heard about with the factory HID's. The system that adjusts the bulb, lens, in winter climates can get hung up by water that gets into it and freezes. When the moisture thaws out, or evaporates, it all goes back to normal. I don't know, maybe, Langer can enlighten us, do the aftermarket retrofits make this K.O.E.S. system adjustment. Personally, I have always found that system a rather sad idea by Ford. Water will get into it, it will freeze, many times, that is part of Winter in Wisconsin. The components are made of plastic, how many times will it thaw out and be fine, until the plastic parts eventually fail, and it isn't. Not to be rude, its kind of funny, HID systems have always been a Foo, Foo, expensive option. I guess Ford figured customers ordering the HID option would be affluent enough to have a climate controlled indoor parking option at both ends of the drive, or they live in Florida, Aruba, Hawaii, or Monaco! An aftermarket HID system may be a faster, possibly fiddle free, less time consuming option. I would hope the retrofit kits work differently, hopefully, bypassing that, K.O.E.S., part of things. Some of the LED science applies to HID's as well, that will be comming up.
The only issues I have heard about with the factory HID's. The system that adjusts the bulb, lens, in winter climates can get hung up by water that gets into it and freezes. When the moisture thaws out, or evaporates, it all goes back to normal. I don't know, maybe, Langer can enlighten us, do the aftermarket retrofits make this K.O.E.S. system adjustment. Personally, I have always found that system a rather sad idea by Ford. Water will get into it, it will freeze, many times, that is part of Winter in Wisconsin. The components are made of plastic, how many times will it thaw out and be fine, until the plastic parts eventually fail, and it isn't. Not to be rude, its kind of funny, HID systems have always been a Foo, Foo, expensive option. I guess Ford figured customers ordering the HID option would be affluent enough to have a climate controlled indoor parking option at both ends of the drive, or they live in Florida, Aruba, Hawaii, or Monaco! An aftermarket HID system may be a faster, possibly fiddle free, less time consuming option. I would hope the retrofit kits work differently, hopefully, bypassing that, K.O.E.S., part of things. Some of the LED science applies to HID's as well, that will be comming up.
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These should work in my highbeams.
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Because I've had the headlight pods out 2x. Low beam projectors have 9005's and the high beam standards have H9's. Online charts are all over the place for some reason.
That's why......
That's why......
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I've pretty much replaced all my bulbs and yhe chart in the manual is trash. I've crossed out most of those bulb designations and wrote in my own.
RogerD1959
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9005"s are what you need for the low beams, H11 on the high beams. These are ARC Beam bulbs, note the bubble over the CREE Chip and this company has a V.2 or a version 2 out now, this is the upgrade version, I suggest strongly. I have the Low Beam V.1 the first version of these. Neither version can be adjusted much, when you put them in try to do so with the CREE Chips on the horizontal plane ---0[]0---, this applies to any bulb with the chips on either side of a shaft. As for Lumens, when buying in pairs the lumen measurement is for both bulbs so you have to divide that in half to get each bulbs output, personally I think this is very misleading, the result of first grade mathematics, as you can't stack lumens. 5,000 lumens X 2 = Does not equal 10,000 output at the front of your vehicle. The EFFECTIVE LUMENS, at the front of your vehicle is 5,000 left, 5,000 right, ugh, a panful simplification, as lumens only apply at the bulb, the source of light, its origin. Not the light thrust out in front of the vehicle, how that is done, or focused, is the P.I.T.A., part of the installation. If you purchase the bulbs you are considering, you will not have even light distribution in front of the vehicle, there will be dark spots, black spots, spiderwebbing, its not a big issue in town. Out on the dark back roads and highways it will get on your nerves! As for light pushed out in front of the vehicle, on low beams, dark unlit road, speed 45 mph. The front edge of the, forward edge, farthest edge from the vehicle, of the entire light pattern on the roadway needs to illuminate an object 2.5 seconds in front of the vehicle moving at 45 - 50 mph. Additionally, on low beam, the thrust, or projection of light BEYOND the 2.5 seconds you see illuminated on the roadway, yup, light you actually can see, this light you can't effectively see, but it should elect a clear return from any reflective surface, (road sign), as far ahead of your vehicle as your old high beams did, or beyond. The quirky neat part of 6,000K, white, LED bulbs, they elect a return from the eyes of critters, deer, way the heck out in front of you on low beams, flip the high beams on and that should light up what ever those two circles are attached to. I apologize for the delay, been way over extended. Friday, 12/6-8/19 Now that I have my vehicle back from the body shop I am going to do a complete LED do over of the headlamps, I want to photo document as much of the refit as I can and write that up.
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I'm not putting LEDs in the projector low beams. Already found an LED that fits with no mods for the high beams.
RogerD1959
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Awesome! That is how you should feel if you got it right! But whatz up with the low beams?1111ExpyEL1111
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I'll be putting HID's in the low beams. Haven't ordered them yet.
RogerD1959
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Keep us posted on that here. I for one would like to know how that goes. $$$$$ scared me off!
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HID'S aren't expensive. Same price as GOOD LEDs.
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