I get it! Gen 1 conquers the ice and snow

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This is the first year I've had the opportunity to drive in snow and ice (serious ice all over the roads) here in DFW and I GET IT. Gen 1 4x4s are greatness. Our '01 did a fantastic job getting us around town and getting up my sloped driveway. Sure footed and confident.

Only wish I had a trac-lok in the back... that could've helped out in a few instances. Dang, now I'm looking at the cheapest way to source and install a traction lock, truetrac, etc... Why they put open rears in 4x4s is beyond me.
 

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Guess it was an option!? Purchased mine used and it came with trac lok in the rear.

I love mine.. It does great in the snow and deep sand in Avon, NC.
 
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Good one about the option, Tom. I know.. just griping. Need to get off my cheap azz or just resign myself to peg leg rears in the front and back.
 
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It's all about the tire. The vehicle matters less - blizzaks for the win up here :)
 

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Hi, I'm in the DFW area too and the Navigator was top notch. It does have the posi rear(and maybe front?), since it's basically a loaded expy. I drove all over the place. I left it in the Auto 4wd Setting most of the time. VERY sure footed and predictable. I have M&S tires(Firestone Destination LE 2) that only have about 12000 miles but are not super agressive because I do lots of highway driving.

I drove some people too and from work and even ventured from Dallas to McKinney(and back) on Sunday Night.
 
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jBanks, very cool! I'm just north of DFW airport. The streets are clear here (finally). I'm going miss the fun driving.
 

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Yeah, I have a 2wd and I know how to drive on ice and snow. That counts right?
 

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Heck yea, Beard. It sure does.

Seriously though, I would have loved to play with A4WD in the snow. I'm about 5 hrs from you. (thanks for sending all that bs up our way.)

I bet all the road salt and dirt doesn't show as bad on your paint job as it does my maroon.(not sure if that's the right color description, i know it's not that faded red)
 

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This is the first year I've had the opportunity to drive in snow and ice (serious ice all over the roads) here in DFW and I GET IT. Gen 1 4x4s are greatness. Our '01 did a fantastic job getting us around town and getting up my sloped driveway. Sure footed and confident.

Only wish I had a trac-lok in the back... that could've helped out in a few instances. Dang, now I'm looking at the cheapest way to source and install a traction lock, truetrac, etc... Why they put open rears in 4x4s is beyond me.

My 01 Grand Cherokee has that too and I wonder the same thing because it only has awd/4lo and the awd works more like a 4x1. Not cool driving on ice (I use the expy right now to break in the rebuilt engine). Glad your awd is working at least.
 

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We are in the ice and snow season and so far i hate the awd. I dont like how it engages. More of a thunk after the rears break traction. So i leave it in 2wd and engage 4 hi as needed. My jeep with fulltime mode was more a true awd as the fronts always had traction.
 

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We are in the ice and snow season and so far i hate the awd. I dont like how it engages. More of a thunk after the rears break traction. So i leave it in 2wd and engage 4 hi as needed. My jeep with fulltime mode was more a true awd as the fronts always had traction.

That's strange...I don't even notice mine kick in. It is supposed to happen in milliseconds from what I have read. I experimented with 4HI and A4WD and determined that I was better off in A4WD.
 

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Really, beating a dead horse here, but tires folks. Tires. Rear wheel drive with snow/winter tires will out-perform even 4x4/awd on all-seasons in every aspect, except, maybe, initial take-off.

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"Cars" don't go well in the snow, "tires" do.
 

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That's strange...I don't even notice mine kick in. It is supposed to happen in milliseconds from what I have read. I experimented with 4HI and A4WD and determined that I was better off in A4WD.

Same here, I know when mine kicks in, but it isn't abrupt. It is supposed to be able to send varying amounts of power to the front wheels up to 50/50 in order to try and make it seamless. I don't mash the throttle either though in the winter in order to minimize wheel spin in the first place.

I definitely agree with Darin though. Tires play a huge (HUGE) role in the truck's snow performance. I thought my A/T Dayton Timberline tires gave me good traction until I put on the Coopers. Its almost comical the type of snow conditions I can get through on these tires.

As a base, the 1st gen's have a great 4x4 capability. I think we should have our own lane on the roads so we don't have to be slowed up by the front wheel drives. I also think it should be legal to give cars that can't get moving at lights little "good Samaritan" nudges....
 

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I was thoroughly surprised by my 4x4 system this past weekend. Went skiing at Stevens Pass in a balmy -1 degree base temperature (-3 summit). I have Geolander AT/S tires, and I was experimenting as I've only owned this truck for a few months, and wow. I have the brown wire mod done so in 2wd, going uphill I couldn't break traction unless I floored it, even then I kept going because of the limited slip, the whole rear end would just break loose. When in A4wd, I couldn't get the truck to slide going uphill at all, just kept going. All the while this is on packed snow and ice. Never had any issues at all!

I'm anxious to see what she does in higher temps and wet snow.


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Really, beating a dead horse here, but tires folks. Tires. Rear wheel drive with snow/winter tires will out-perform even 4x4/awd on all-seasons in every aspect, except, maybe, initial take-off.
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I disagree that a rear wheel drive with snow tires out-performs a 4wd with all season radials. I drove rear wheel drive work van before with snow tires and it had decent amount of weight in the rear. It still had difficulties negotiating inclines above X amount of grade. It got really old trying to make it up the hill at work and having to back down again and try and getting another running start. I know this is not a fair comparison but even had chains for my mustang when it was a daily driver. Neither were even close to the performance of 4wd.

With my expedition, I can stop at the bottom of a hill and it will climb up with little effort.

Not only do you have all 4 wheels driving you loose the rolling resistance of the front tires having to plow through the snow.

No doubt tires do make a difference but still think 2wd is not comparable to 4wd. Maybe a 4wd with tires that are in need or replacement vs a well set up rear wheel drive with snow tires.

Of course you hear some stories from 2wd owners that are going places that 4wd's could not even negotiate but I put that right up there with stock hondas claiming they smoke new 5.0 mustangs. You will see 4wd that run off the road, roll over, etc... but that's not usually the fault of the 4wd. It's the person behind the wheel that likely got false confidence due to how well its performing. Just because you can quickly accelerate to say 60mph in the snow does not mean you should!! Just because all 4 wheels are driving in no way means you will not slide off the road or brake any better.
 
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my truck came stock with a LSD rear diff. I think the all wheel works well for light snow because it preforms so smoothely. The sample time for the computer for the all wheel drive cluth is in the milliseconds so you shouldnt be able to feel any change if everything is working right. Sometimes straight up 4X4 is better though for deep snow because its very consistant. Between my 1st gen, my parents 09 expy and 06 awd Pilot i like the 1st gen so much more becuase of the responsiveness of the whole drive train system.
 
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