Finally let her off the leash!

[NevadaGeo]

I planned on buying new in 2015.I did plenty of research, talked to F150 owners and got feedback from salesman. I found most leasers do not care about the engine. 65% of F150's sold have the 3.5ltt. 700,000 on the road. It is $2,395 more than 5.0l. Salesman say customers have a concern/distrust of Eco-boost. It is #1 issue with trucks. Ford's use of rebates, is what has helped sales on the EB. Expedition are not selling well. The dealer had no flyers to give out and only one Platinum model on lot $75K(wow!). Owners with problems, have had big problems. Bad motors, turbos, Timing chain issue, carbon/sputtering issue, white smoke and rough idle. Many that like/love it, are not seeing fuel savings and complain. Sales of extended warranty have gone up, for Ford trucks and resale down.

I agree with the mistrust issue. In 2012 when I purchased my F-150 FX4, I figured that the only engine worthy of off-road was the V8. My reasoning behind this was the displacement necessary for engine-brake going down steep slopes. I also figured that a larger engine would work less to turn out the same about of power. Seemed obvious to me at the time. BUT! (Wait for it...)

Speaking to colleagues who had the 3.5 TT in the F-150, they raved about the engine in every respect. Some had over 150,000 miles on a relatively new pick-up (we drive a lot out here, nothing is close). Of all the 3.5 TT owners, none had any mechanical problems at all. When I test drove a 2017 Expedition in anticipation of my recent purchase, I was floored (no pun intended) at the power and smoothness of the Expedition. So I bought one.

Why are you being so negative when so many other who OWN one of these fine vehicle are so positive?? I makes no sense to me.

I come from old school "no replacement for displacement", but even us old guys can adapt and learn. As I said earlier, try it. you'll like it!!

As for the negative things you say about the TT, this is news to me. Where I live, everyone has an SUV or pick-up for towing or off-road. I have heard nothing like what you state. Where do you get your information from??

Why are you being so negative when so many people who OWN one of these fine vehicles are so positive?? Makes no sense to me.

 

[rjdelp7]

I agree with the mistrust issue. In 2012 when I purchased my F-150 FX4, I figured that the only engine worthy of off-road was the V8. My reasoning behind this was the displacement necessary for engine-brake going down steep slopes. I also figured that a larger engine would work less to turn out the same about of power. Seemed obvious to me at the time. BUT! (Wait for it...)

Speaking to colleagues who had the 3.5 TT in the F-150, they raved about the engine in every respect. Some had over 150,000 miles on a relatively new pick-up (we drive a lot out here, nothing is close). Of all the 3.5 TT owners, none had any mechanical problems at all. When I test drove a 2017 Expedition in anticipation of my recent purchase, I was floored (no pun intended) at the power and smoothness of the Expedition. So I bought one.

Why are you being so negative when so many other who OWN one of these fine vehicle are so positive?? I makes no sense to me.

I come from old school "no replacement for displacement", but even us old guys can adapt and learn. As I said earlier, try it. you'll like it!!

As for the negative things you say about the TT, this is news to me. Where I live, everyone has an SUV or pick-up for towing or off-road. I have heard nothing like what you state. Where do you get your information from??

Why are you being so negative when so many people who OWN one of these fine vehicles are so positive?? Makes no sense to me.

I would not hesitate to lease a new F150, with 3.5ltt maybe the 2.7l. I would not want one out of warranty. I would not buy a used one. Time will tell, 700,000 "test beds" on the road. The switch to Aluminum bodies and Eco motor, has not shown a big MPG increase. Diesel would be my choice.

 

[LokiWolf]

I would not hesitate to lease a new F150, with 3.5ltt maybe the 2.7l. I would not want one out of warranty. I would not buy a used one. Time will tell, 700,000 "test beds" on the road. The switch to Aluminum bodies and Eco motor, has not shown a big MPG increase. Diesel would be my choice.

COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE of what you have been saying for several threads. 5.0 is the Best, never would I own an EB motor... Accusing people of not knowing what they are talking about that OWN 2 EB equipped vehicles with the EXACT motors you just said you would "Lease". You are RIDICULOUS!!

On the, I should not have an opinion on the Vehicle I Own front, I have owned 2 EB equipped Expy's, and had 30K between them, over 18K of that my wife said was probably mine, I drive on every long trip and even when we are going down the street for dinner when we take hers. Put close to 300 on it today, all me. Go take your "OPINION", from no actual experience owning or driving an EB equipped vehicle and take it somewhere else.

I know 2 guys with a landscaping company with 2015 EB equipped that saved money replacing there F250 diesels on purchase, gas price, and so far maintenance. They have close to 130K on 4 trucks. Said they have been great trucks!!

Enough defending the Motor in the vehicle I own and you do not. Thanks for the Entertainment...everybody can put their popcorn away now...

 

[NevadaGeo]

Okay, I am thoroughly confused here. Are we talking Expedition or F-150? Either way, lets end here and call this thread DEAD!!

 

[LokiWolf]

Okay, I am thoroughly confused here. Are we talking Expedition or F-150? Either way, lets end here and call this thread DEAD!!

Agreed!

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

 

[LokiWolf]

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That is great!!! I am laughing my head off! Thanks Andy!

 

[NevadaGeo]

Agreed!

But hey, I was only half through my bag of popcorn...

 

[Hayes Riviere]

How the hell did this go from a thread about how good the Expedition is great at off-roading to an argument about EB engines? While I love the growl of my 5.4L, I know the are great engines, based on the constant praise my neighbor says of his F-150. Both engines are great, and like I said, I love the V8, but I also think that using a 3.5L twin turbo V6 was fine, adding fuel economy, instant torque, and acceleration, while also maintaining the same power from a V8. Anyways, that's my $.02. Don't want to add fuel to the dying flame.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

How the hell did this go from a thread about how good the Expedition is great at off-roading to an argument about EB engines? While I love the growl of my 5.4L, I know the are great engines, based on the constant praise my neighbor says of his F-150. Both engines are great, and like I said, I love the V8, but I also think that using a 3.5L twin turbo V6 was fine, adding fuel economy, instant torque, and acceleration, while also maintaining the same power from a V8. Anyways, that's my $.02. Don't want to add fuel to the dying flame.

Jump right in the water is still warm. LOL

 

[jeff kushner]

Heck, I've never shied from a fight so I may as well weigh in....like many of us, I'm old school and a good fist fight was fun...not like the metrosexuals of today whom most of which have never been in a fight.

I have owned 3 Expeditions...a '99, an '03 and my new '17 so my comments are based on MY OWN experience, not something I read by some overbearing internet "guru" who leads the ignorant and the gullible with his/her overbearing comments.

RJ....multiple mistakes....first, like any liberal, you feel that you have some self-entitled right to decide what's right or wrong so you chide a well-liked ACTIVE member for driving HIS truck where he sees fit. Not your business or your call....mistake one.

Then you decide that it makes sense to go after one of the most respected TECHNICAL guys who is also an ACTIVE member...mistake two.

Then, like any worm up against a dead end, you turn direction by changing the paradigm(look it up) because you ran into the proverbial brick wall so now instead of "you're wrong to drive your truck off-road" it's "all 3.5TT's are bad"....mistake three.

I attend a lot of business meetings, often with very smart people...the difference between them and you is that smart people know what they are arguing about, not guessing and they don't change direction mid-course unless they want people like me to eat them for lunch.....mistake four.

Nothing personal(since I don't know you) but your debating skills are, well....lacking. You are nothing more than a snack!

jeff

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

 

[tsingson]

Anything that rjdelp7 has said

Don't feed the trolls.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Thunderjet]

I admire the OP for using his Expedition off road. It should make one comfie ride in moderate terrain. Most scratches will buff out. If they don't, well that's to bad, it is a 4wd truck.
To many mall rat drivers/owners on here.

 

[powerboatr]

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fliping peerrrfffect

 

[powerboatr]

rules of buying cars, trucks, boats, RV, etc.
1. NEVER EVER listen to a salesmen telling you this is a problem or that is problem unless they actually can prove they own the vehicle in question. especially off shore capable boats.
2. Salesmen change dealers almost as fast as the grass grows, they are only loyal to the brand they sell at the time.
3. Salesmen only regurgitate what the sales manager has told them to say, most are incapable of reading and understanding any thing on what they sell, they memorize the quick facts from ford or gm or whom ever and that is what they base everything on. there are very few that actually know in depth the product of which they sell.

 

[NevadaGeo]

rules of buying cars, trucks, boats, RV, etc.
1. NEVER EVER listen to a salesmen telling you this is a problem or that is problem unless they actually can prove they own the vehicle in question. especially off shore capable boats.
2. Salesmen change dealers almost as fast as the grass grows, they are only loyal to the brand they sell at the time.
3. Salesmen only regurgitate what the sales manager has told them to say, most are incapable of reading and understanding any thing on what they sell, they memorize the quick facts from ford or gm or whom ever and that is what they base everything on. there are very few that actually know in depth the product of which they sell.

Case in point, the salesman at my dealership was butt-stupid concerning the Expedition. I did my own internet research and identified the vehicle I wanted from a dealership in Salt Lake. They bought it and delivered the vehicle I wanted for the same price.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, for it is I who is the great and all powerful OZ".

 

[NevadaGeo]

Heck, I've never shied from a fight so I may as well weigh in....like many of us, I'm old school and a good fist fight was fun...not like the metrosexuals of today whom most of which have never been in a fight.

I have owned 3 Expeditions...a '99, an '03 and my new '17 so my comments are based on MY OWN experience, not something I read by some overbearing internet "guru" who leads the ignorant and the gullible with his/her overbearing comments.

RJ....multiple mistakes....first, like any liberal, you feel that you have some self-entitled right to decide what's right or wrong so you chide a well-liked ACTIVE member for driving HIS truck where he sees fit. Not your business or your call....mistake one.

Then you decide that it makes sense to go after one of the most respected TECHNICAL guys who is also an ACTIVE member...mistake two.

Then, like any worm up against a dead end, you turn direction by changing the paradigm(look it up) because you ran into the proverbial brick wall so now instead of "you're wrong to drive your truck off-road" it's "all 3.5TT's are bad"....mistake three.

I attend a lot of business meetings, often with very smart people...the difference between them and you is that smart people know what they are arguing about, not guessing and they don't change direction mid-course unless they want people like me to eat them for lunch.....mistake four.

Nothing personal(since I don't know you) but your debating skills are, well....lacking. You are nothing more than a snack!

jeff

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Beautiful!! Well said Jeff. I mean, why use only one barrel when you have two loaded up!! I am so sick and tired of these younger liberal "progressive" types who seem to think they know what you need and how you should get it. This is the generation of getting a ribbon or trophy for just showing up. It has given them the belief that just because you show up, your opinion should count. In my day, if you won, you opinion counted. If you lost, you were eaten. It was a well understood credo.

Burp.

 

[tsingson]

I absolutely love the fact that you are using yours as a "Sport Utility" and not just a peoople hauler. I am looking for roads down here where I can legally do some light offroading. But mega props!

 

[powerboatr]

Heck, I've never shied from a fight so I may as well weigh in....like many of us, I'm old school and a good fist fight was fun...not like the metrosexuals of today whom most of which have never been in a fight.

I have owned 3 Expeditions...a '99, an '03 and my new '17 so my comments are based on MY OWN experience, not something I read by some overbearing internet "guru" who leads the ignorant and the gullible with his/her overbearing comments.

RJ....multiple mistakes....first, like any liberal, you feel that you have some self-entitled right to decide what's right or wrong so you chide a well-liked ACTIVE member for driving HIS truck where he sees fit. Not your business or your call....mistake one.

Then you decide that it makes sense to go after one of the most respected TECHNICAL guys who is also an ACTIVE member...mistake two.

Then, like any worm up against a dead end, you turn direction by changing the paradigm(look it up) because you ran into the proverbial brick wall so now instead of "you're wrong to drive your truck off-road" it's "all 3.5TT's are bad"....mistake three.

I attend a lot of business meetings, often with very smart people...the difference between them and you is that smart people know what they are arguing about, not guessing and they don't change direction mid-course unless they want people like me to eat them for lunch.....mistake four.

Nothing personal(since I don't know you) but your debating skills are, well....lacking. You are nothing more than a snack!

jeff

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

HMMM
Jeff
I could not have said it better.
Thank you