Lost my Brakes!!!!! Waiting for Ford Roadside Assistance now!!!!

[Black]

Pulled in the kiddos school parking lot and got the low fluid light. Checked and I had about a 1/4" under the minimum line. I limped it to the nearest Wal-Mart about 2 miles away by that time all the fluid was gone and no pedal whatsoever.
Looked under the vehicle there in the lot and could not find anything on the ground or a trail from pulling in. I added about 30 oz of fluid which took me right to about the Max line. Limped it home about 2 miles and fluid was already gone.
Looking under the truck it looks like fluid is coming from the hard line above the spring perch on the drivers rear. The shock is completely covered in fluid.
I am presuming that it is brake fluid and that shock is not leaking.
2016 with 50k miles. I just bought the truck in March used and it had a 3 month/4,000 miles bumper to bumper warranty. Of course I just passed the 3 month mark but not the 4k miles.
So I'll be using the Ford Roadside assistance to get it taken in.
I talked with the fella that sold me the vehicle and it sounds like they are probably going to take care of the repairs for me, which is nice. There were a few other minor issues I have had with the vehicle prior to this so he is going to take a look at finding me another and buying this one back.

So now we just sit and wait.

 

[RenegadeBad_Dog]

Pulled in the kiddos school parking lot and got the low fluid light. Checked and I had about a 1/4" under the minimum line. I limped it to the nearest Wal-Mart about 2 miles away by that time all the fluid was gone and no pedal whatsoever.
Looked under the vehicle there in the lot and could not find anything on the ground or a trail from pulling in. I added about 30 oz of fluid which took me right to about the Max line. Limped it home about 2 miles and fluid was already gone.
Looking under the truck it looks like fluid is coming from the hard line above the spring perch on the drivers rear. The shock is completely covered in fluid.
I am presuming that it is brake fluid and that shock is not leaking.
2016 with 50k miles. I just bought the truck in March used and it had a 3 month/4,000 miles bumper to bumper warranty. Of course I just passed the 3 month mark but not the 4k miles.
So I'll be using the Ford Roadside assistance to get it taken in.
I talked with the fella that sold me the vehicle and it sounds like they are probably going to take care of the repairs for me, which is nice. There were a few other minor issues I have had with the vehicle prior to this so he is going to take a look at finding me another and buying this one back.

So now we just sit and wait.

That sucks. We too have a 2016 with 50,000 miles on it hope this isn't a common issue.

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[Trainmaster]

You've got a broken brake line. Maybe something hit it while driving. If you press down all the way, you should still retain front brakes.

 

[William_ff]

I think the press down depends on where the leak is. In my experience, if there is a rear problem, pumping high gives better breaking. I found that full pumps lost all the pressure to the front. I am guessing this is because it starts sending more to the rear.

Curious if you were using the E brakes to help you get around. If it is just a leak in the line, shouldn't be too much to fix.

 

[Flexpedition]

30oz of brake fluid? I probably wouldn't have driven anywhere myself.

 

[Black]

You've got a broken brake line. Maybe something hit it while driving. If you press down all the way, you should still retain front brakes.

They catch a LITTLE bit. But about the equivalent of stopping a freight train at any speed of 20 mph

I think the press down depends on where the leak is. In my experience, if there is a rear problem, pumping high gives better breaking. I found that full pumps lost all the pressure to the front. I am guessing this is because it starts sending more to the rear.

Curious if you were using the E brakes to help you get around. If it is just a leak in the line, shouldn't be too much to fix.

The fronts just barely caught. I did not get much speed at all. The tow tuck driver used the e brake.

30oz of brake fluid? I probably wouldn't have driven anywhere myself.

I figured I was not going far and knew it held for the length I was going. Also knew I would not need to do over 30 mph.

It is at the dealer now just waiting to hear the verdict. The EL was dang near bigger than the flatbed they brought. Lifted the front of this truck up almost a foot as he was raising the bed up with the EL on it.

Ford's Roadside assistance was pretty good to deal with.

 

[Trainmaster]

Since 1967 all cars have a dual braking system. If you lose the rear brakes you still have the front. Sure, the stopping power will be reduced considerably and the pedal will be nearly at the floor but you still have some brakes.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Since 1967 all cars have a dual braking system. If you lose the rear brakes you still have the front. Sure, the stopping power will be reduced considerably and the pedal will be nearly at the floor but you still have some brakes.

Not quite true.

Modern hydraulic braking systems are set-up on a split, diagonal system. If one brake line leaks, then the vehicle would have hydraulic braking capability (reduced) on one front wheel and the opposite, rear wheel. If the leak is a major one, it is possible to leak all of the brake fluid from the master cylinder - and lose hydraulic braking on all four corners.

Unless both rear or front lines rupture simultaneously, you cannot “lose” the rear or front brakes with one line leaking.

When a brake line leaks, it is not wise to drive the vehicle - even for a short period of time. The leak can get worse and braking capability is already reduced by the initial leak.

 

[Plati]

Not trying to make it worse ... but the e-brake is really a Parking brake. You're only supposed to use it for a non-moving vehicle OR in the case of an Emergency. But it might get damaged if used in an Emergency to stop a moving vehicle. Thats for my 2003 & 2014 Expeditionz with "drum style" parking brake inside the rear rotors.

I hope they've designed something better since then.
Are the newer Expy's same design?

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Backup plan if regular brakes fail is Parking Brake
Backup plan if Parking Brake fails is downshift
Backup plan if downshift fails is ride it out / go uphill
Backup plan if ride it out fails is hit something solid

 

[Trainmaster]

Parking brake's still the same cable-controlled contraption that's usually a rusted hulk until you try to get it to stop your 6000 pound truck. I actually started maintaining mine after realizing that it could one day be my last resort in saving myself.

It will stop the truck, slowly, if the rotted cable doesn't snap first.

 

[jeff kushner]

Hopefully, the OP will be taken care of.....but after pouring 8-10 oz of fluid, I def would have taken a peek under the truck, if just to see where it must have been pouring out!


FWIW---- front brakes do 70+% of the braking on a car or truck, mototcycle or bicycle....rears, not so much. I teach a "braking class" of sorts on bikes and it's amazing how many times you will see a single black line leading into the trees off a road.....because the rider either didn't know how to use his front brake or that he MUST use them in any kind of emergency situation. Heck, I rarely use a rear brake on a bike & only if the road forces me to with sand or such.
jeff

 

[Black]

Hopefully, the OP will be taken care of.....but after pouring 8-10 oz of fluid, I def would have taken a peek under the truck, if just to see where it must have been pouring out!


FWIW---- front brakes do 70+% of the braking on a car or truck, mototcycle or bicycle....rears, not so much. I teach a "braking class" of sorts on bikes and it's amazing how many times you will see a single black line leading into the trees off a road.....because the rider either didn't know how to use his front brake or that he MUST use them in any kind of emergency situation. Heck, I rarely use a rear brake on a bike & only if the road forces me to with sand or such.
jeff

I checked the best I could when I filled it and when I got home.

Apparently the master cylinder, proportioning valve, and brake booster are all bad.
$766 to fix.

The rear drivers shock has fluid on it well because it is leaking too!!!

So I am pretty pissed at the moment.

 

[1955moose]

Why do you have to pay? It's under warranty. Even if it was beyond the miles, which its not, the dealer should honor it for 2 reasons. 1 is customer goodwill, and 2 a lawyer can jump all over this if its a mechanical issue. If you damaged a part , that's different. I'd talk to the regional Ford manager if you can't resolve this at store level.

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[Black]

It is above mileage for the Ford Bumper to Bumper warranty so they aren’t going to do anything. I really doubt any level will care too much but any suggestions on locating a regional manager to speak with? This is my 7th Ford and I am only 35 so I have plenty more to buy. One would think they would want to help me out.

I bought from a Chevy dealer and am 1 month out of the 3month/4K mile warranty they offer on all used vehicles.
I talked to my sales person they are going to possibly take care of it.
So we’ll see.

 

[Trainmaster]

There's plenty wrong here. The master cylinder, proportioning valve, and brake booster wouldn't all be bad. The dealer is throwing parts at the problem or throwing stories at you. Put simply, you are being lied to. When they go bad, they don't "spew brake fluid" from the rear of the car, as you described in your first post.

But to have those three parts replaced by a dealer at $225/hour (NY prices) would cost far more than $700.

This is wrong. Doubtful that anyonenwith mechanical knowledge is going to stand behind that diagnosis.

 

[Black]

The fluid on the rear shock is shock fluid. The shock is leaking. Separate issues but was the only fluid I could find at the time.

Apparently the fluid loss is at the front along the firewall.

Hourly shop rates are about half here.

If the MC fails pumping extra fluid to the PV and booster not strange that they would fail either.

Though anyway you slice it this should not happen on a 2 year old truck.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Lost my brake lines on 99 Expedition - first it was front, then rear. Rust was the culprit. replaced with high quality lines had to bend for around frame, etc.

 

[Gregg Eshelman]

A bad shock on a 2 year old vehicle? With the brake problem that doesn't speak well of the quality of the truck. I'd be wondering what else might fail soon.

One of my uncles had a Ford pickup (the one just prior to his current one) where all four front ball joints failed in only 40,000 miles. Ford footed the replacement bill, and installed greaseable replacements. The originals were a plastic lined type, not supposed to need any grease.

 

[Black]

A bad shock on a 2 year old vehicle? With the brake problem that doesn't speak well of the quality of the truck. I'd be wondering what else might fail soon.

One of my uncles had a Ford pickup (the one just prior to his current one) where all four front ball joints failed in only 40,000 miles. Ford footed the replacement bill, and installed greaseable replacements. The originals were a plastic lined type, not supposed to need any grease.

I am going to work my way up the Ford “Customer Service” line tomorrow.
A catastrophic brake failure on a 2 year old truck is unacceptable.
The leaking shock is as well but Ford’s shock have always sucked.

Certainly Bilstien, Fox, or ICON had something for us.

 

[1955moose]

When I worked at Volkswagen years back, I had 3 different customers Jettas that had leaking rear struts. It's always a slippery slope when you buy a used vehicle with a so called warranty. Combat that with the fact that you bought it from a Chevrolet dealer, and their hoping to make you go away. Don't you dare! Get ahold of consumer affairs, let them know it's a brake safety issue, and this needs to be corrected now. Check with your family attorney, but safety things like brakes usually will be extended beyond limited warranty especially if part failure is found to be something they neglected. Bottom line that dealership doesn't need bad publicity or legal fees. You might have to compromise on parts/labor costs, but I'm sure keeping you happy, and them out of court is top of their list. Keep in touch.

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