Good things ARE coming our way from ICON Vehicle Dynamics, or so they say

[Black]

I bought my rig in March I quickly contacted ICON, Fox, Bilstein, and King to see if anyone had anything available for us or in the works. All said NOPE. King said we’ll gladly make you some. They gave me a laundry list of dimensions they needed.
Some of which I was able to find online and some I was not and have not had time to take the stuff off the truck and measure. So I let that be until I could get the stuff off (still hasn’t happened). Looked into Bilstein adjustables up front and 4600s with spacers for the rear and that was my plan for a 2” lift. Have collected some parts not all. Well the struts/shock question has fired up again.
I remembered seeing Adventure Driven’s blog showing ICON rear coil overs. Now knowing F150s will work just need rears.
A couple folks have said they have heard from other sources ICON was doing something. But for me unless ICON says they are doing it, they aren’t doing it.
Figure what the heck shot them an Email with the link to Adventure Driven’s video and asked how do I get a set???
And here is the response


So at least they are working on it. Still not a 100% as I have put money down on “products in development” only to get my money back as they never came to fruition.
So this certainly beats my flat out no of an answer from back in April.

 

[Adieu]

What kinda prices can we expect from this brand? Lift or stock height? Adjustible or fixed?

 

[Black]

No mention of any of that at this point.
Hoping adjustable up to 2.5” like they are for the F150.
Also hoping for all 3 options as they all start from the same base 2.5 with no reservoir, then add a reservoir, and a reservoir with adjustable dampening believe they call theirs CDCV.

If pricing is anywhere near F150 (guessing they will likely be more as they certainly won’t sell the number of units that they do for F150s.

At least $1,500, $1,800, and $2,100 a pair.

 

[JExpedition07]

Are they making these for 07-14 or 15-17 trucks? There really aren’t many 15-17s on the road so I’d be surprised if it’s not for 07-14 expys. I believe it’s actally 07-13’ then 14-17’ on the different suspensions.

Wasn’t adventuredriven’s expy an 07’?

 

[Black]

Are they making these for 07-14 or 15-17 trucks? There really aren’t many 15-17s on the road so I’d be surprised if it’s not for 07-14 expys.

Wasn’t adventuredriven’s expy an 07’?

I only asked about rears in regard to the 07 like Adventure Driven’s but the rears are identical across the board for the 07-17s Expedition so it won’t make a difference.

I would only presume they will be making a front to match the rear kind of silly not to.
So the 07-14 is likely going to be covered.

And we are ready know that the F150 kits work on the 15-17 Expeditions so 15-17s will be covered for sure even if they for some reason don’t make them for the front.

Though I am pretty confident the only difference in the front F150 unit and the 07-14 Expedition unit is the mount. Pop the cross bar out of the lower shock eyelet and use the factory shock bolt most likely will work.

 

[Grover6]

Maybe all of us on the forums should send a similar email to ICON. Let them know the interest is there.

 

[Black]

Maybe all of us on the forums should send a similar email to ICON. Let them know the interest is there.

A very good idea!!

I sent a couple follow up on options, front, rear, reservoir, no reservior, adjustable, etc. waiting to hear back.

 

[Zero Offset]

Sorry, I'm ignorant on this. How is this different from the readylift kits?

 

[Black]

Sorry, I'm ignorant on this. How is this different from the readylift kits?

Readylift is nothing more than a strut spacer that you pop on top of the factory strut essentially pushing everything up X”s (based upon the kit purchased) the most popular for the Expedition is 3” front and 2” for the rear. It also tends to provide crap ride quality. The Expedition is an independent suspension front and rear so the ride quality is not degraded too much. Spacers on a live axle are horrendous for ride quality.

This is a completely new coilover assembly completely. Likely will be height adjustable from 0-2.5” (considering that is the F150 models adjustability).
For other models there is a coilover, a coilover with external reservoir, and a coilover with external reservoir and dampening adjustability.

So you gain much more suspension travel without loosing ride quality and not particularly loosing longevity of the other factory suspension parts. In some cases and application ride quality is improved over stock.

Here is a video somewhat explaining the difference.

The coilover is the ride height adjustable type.
Granted in this video the Bilstein 5100 is the strut only and you reuse the rest of your stock components and the ICON will be a completely new unit the principle and engineering behind the two are the same.

 

[Adieu]

Sorry, I'm ignorant on this. How is this different from the readylift kits?

Readylift is a spacer. That's fancy talk for what boils down to a bigass washer you stack on top of your struts... alters suspension geometry, leaves you with stock coils and springs

If you meant Rancho quickLIFT.... those are highway coilovers with built in levelling and another inch or so of lift, with quality at the upper end of mediocrity

Neither is a high end product with significant upgrade to practical badassery... well, unless you physically clear an obstacle that would've totalled you at stock ride height, then yeah, practical as all hell

 

[montecarlo31]

The only concern I would have is they take into account the different spring rates Expeditions have on the front end vs F-150s. Icon makes good products but it takes quite a bit of R&H to fine tune flogging a 6,000 lb plus vehicle over rough terrain.

 

[Black]

While this is true one can take in consideration how similar the F150 and the Expedition front ends are. There is not a motor specific kit for the F150 and you are talking a wide range of weight differences between the 2.7 and the 5.0.
The Expedition will certainly fall within there. Sure it won’t be perfect and I don’t think I would go all high speed PreRunner events or serious rock crawling articulation. But you will certainly be better off than factory.
Not like you are pulling from an F250 or some other completely different platform.
Plus if you spring (haha see what I did there) for the adjustable dampening system you’ll be able to dial it in pretty solid to one’s liking.

 

[JExpedition07]

While this is true one can take in consideration how similar the F150 and the Expedition front ends are. There is not a motor specific kit for the F150 and you are talking a wide range of weight differences between the 2.7 and the 5.0.
The Expedition will certainly fall within there. Sure it won’t be perfect and I don’t think I would go all high speed PreRunner events or serious rock crawling articulation. But you will certainly be better off than factory.
Not like you are pulling from an F250 or some other completely different platform.
Plus if you spring (haha see what I did there) for the adjustable dampening system you’ll be able to dial it in pretty solid to one’s liking.

Haha I saw that and got a giggle. The F-150 and Expeditions aren’t too far off and curb weight is close enough. I agree the front end isn’t the big difference it’s the rear. We generally run a few hundred pounds more on curb weight than F-150s is all.

 

[Adieu]

Haha I saw that and got a giggle. The F-150 and Expeditions aren’t too far off and curb weight is close enough. I agree the front end isn’t the big difference it’s the rear. We generally run a few hundred pounds more on curb weight than F-150s is all.

More like +1000 - 2000 lbs

But pickups are almost 60-40 front heavy.... meanwhile, the Triton V8 Expy is, surprisingly, an almost perfect, bimmerlike 49-51


So the front is all good with shocks and springs for a V8 F150....and the rear is different for a good reason

 

[Zero Offset]

Readylift is a spacer. That's fancy talk for what boils down to a bigass washer you stack on top of your struts... alters suspension geometry, leaves you with stock coils and springs

If you meant Rancho quickLIFT.... those are highway coilovers with built in levelling and another inch or so of lift, with quality at the upper end of mediocrity

Neither is a high end product with significant upgrade to practical badassery... well, unless you physically clear an obstacle that would've totalled you at stock ride height, then yeah, practical as all hell

Yes! Thats what I meant! Rancho QuickLIFT! Thats exactly what I was thinking of. I have the Traxda leveling spacers, even though I havent installed them yet, I do know what those are.

Honestly though, the way you describe the Rancho's makes me want those. Highway ride with leveling and an extra inch sounds awesome.

But I think the traxda's give me a little more bang for my buck while maxing out yet staying within the factory geometry. Believe they're 2.75"/2.25" but some of the docs say they're actually 3"/2". They sold me on their top quality as far as leveling kits go, though there are cheaper kits on ebay that might be just as good or maybe even better. After all that, it sounds like you cant get as much lift with the Ranchos as you can with spacers?

Anyway, haha, sorry to derail the thread. We're talking Icon here not traxda or rancho quicklift. Sounds like the Icon kit will give you as much lift as spacers but with better performance? Thanks for educating me.

 

[Black]

You are still stuck with Rancho quality. Better than stock but nothing to write home about. For a highway rig you’ll be fine.

You can always put a spacers on the Ranchos if would would like more lift.

 

[JExpedition07]

More like +1000 - 2000 lbs

But pickups are almost 60-40 front heavy.... meanwhile, the Triton V8 Expy is, surprisingly, an almost perfect, bimmerlike 49-51


So the front is all good with shocks and springs for a V8 F150....and the rear is different for a good reason

I believe our 07-14’ trucks run about 150-200 pounds heavier up front than the 15-17s but that’s nothing on these truck springs. Triton is roughly 550+ pounds dressed where the ecoboost is roughly 450 pounds dressed. Curb weight on my 07’ is 5,805 pounds, the same configuration for 17’ is 5,562 pounds. An 07’ is about 243 pounds heavier than a similarly equipped 2017.....one could assume powertrain is the main weight difference. F-150s vary more obviously. The specs I’ve seen for F-150 is usually 500 pounds lighter than a similar Expedition. I don’t think 2,000 is possible.

 

[Zero Offset]

You are still stuck with Rancho quality. Better than stock but nothing to write home about. For a highway rig you’ll be fine.

You can always put a spacers on the Ranchos if would would like more lift.

If I added RanchoQL to my 2.75"/2.25" Traxda spacers that would put me up to 4"/3.5" lift, wouldnt that put me outside of the factory suspension/ drive-train geometry? Been reading that 3" lift is the absolute maximum the factory parts can handle.

I believe our 07-14’ trucks run about 150-200 pounds heavier up front than the 15-17s but that’s nothing on these truck springs. Triton is roughly 550+ pounds dressed where the ecoboost is roughly 450 pounds dressed. Curb weight on my 07’ is 5,805 pounds, the same configuration for 17’ is 5,562 pounds. An 07’ is about 243 pounds heavier than a similarly equipped 2017.....one could assume powertrain is the main weight difference. F-150s vary more obviously. The specs I’ve seen for F-150 is usually 500 pounds lighter than a similar Expedition. I don’t think 2,000 is possible.

This sounds right to me. Seem to remember that that my '10 King Ranch SWB 4x4 docs said it was 6,000+ lbs though...?

 

[Adieu]

If I added RanchoQL to my 2.75"/2.25" Traxda spacers that would put me up to 4"/3.5" lift, wouldnt that put me outside of the factory suspension/ drive-train geometry? Been reading that 3" lift is the absolute maximum the factory parts can handle.

This sounds right to me. Seem to remember that that my '10 King Ranch SWB 4x4 docs said it was 6,000+ lbs though...?

3rd gens are like 5500-6200 depending on length, 4x4, and equipment iirc

F-150 2014+, pasted from wikipedia:

• 4,069–4,653 lb (1,846–2,111 kg) (Regular Cab)
• 4,415–5,236 lb (2,003–2,375 kg) (Super Cab)
• 4,529–5,320 lb (2,054–2,413 kg) (SuperCrew)
• 5,525–5,697 lb (2,506–2,584 kg) (Raptor)

4069 lbs would probably be a bare work truck with minimum trim, no options, 4x2, a V6, etc

 

[Black]

If I added RanchoQL to my 2.75"/2.25" Traxda spacers that would put me up to 4"/3.5" lift, wouldnt that put me outside of the factory suspension/ drive-train geometry? Been reading that 3" lift is the absolute maximum the factory parts can handle.

That specific combination likely so.
Though there are a bunch of spacer height options available that coupled with the Ranchos will keep you under 3”