Power foaming a 3.5 ecoboost
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Those new fangled Turbos are to much for him to understand...
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Man, you guys are some close mind, know it alls. Would Ford REPLACE a head, if they could just spray some cleaner? Why did they add a second set of injectors, mid model? I would trade in this model, just short of the warranty expiring. I wouldn't buy a used car, from someone who uses redneck hacks, like Seafoam. Its for lawn mowers.
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How do you know what a past owners done? It's kinda like you never ask a current wife or girlfriend how many guys she's been with before you? Theirs some things in life, you really don't want the answer too. If you knew the dirty truth, you wouldn't want to sit with either one, your 5800 lb baby, in the driveway, or your 120 pound one sitting next to you!
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Yes, MANY manufactures have learned different ways to take care of the Direct Injection byproducts.
Even one of the most advanced Engine companies in the world that you already mentioned, has gotten caught by it, BMW.
Every generation of Engine development has its limitations, and gotchas.
Ford chose to add Port Injection back, because under certain conditions it is better. Also has the advantage of being able to deliver more fuel to the process and washing the valves, win win. They did not add it Mid Model... The 15-17 Expy got the 1st Gen 3.5TT. The new 18 Expy got the New 2nd Gen 3.5TT. The F150 moved to the 2nd Gen 1 year earlier in 2017. Since the F-150 had the first Gen with a few Changes from 2011 - 2017, it was due for a redesign.
Yes they would replace a head instead of doing a spray, because most of that is being done out of warranty, where they make serious money. Plus they aren’t replacing the head...again do you read? They remove them to clean everything. So, all labor, so $$$.
Is it better to do a head tear down and clean the valves 1 on 1, Yes. But the cost is REALLY high. If you can spray a can every 10-20K and prevent or remove the buildup, why wouldn’t you?
We are not the closed minded ones. We are open to change. Yes my Turbo Charged 6 Cylinder can out pull, and out run your 5.4 at half throttle. Tuned I gain 50 HP, you gain 10, I gain 90 lb/ft, you 20? Seems like I am the one embracing the future.
Just for clarity, I never mentioned Seafoam. I mentioned CRC. Their cleaner is the one I have used with positive results MANY times. We are talking a Major Chemical Company that spends a lot of money developing products to fix or help with problems like this. Not a redneck hack...even though as a redneck I do recommend this Hack!!! [emoji41][emoji1787][emoji41]
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I wonder if Ford has even tried testing the CRC product that's advertised to be safe for GDI and turbos. I've tried to do some searching and even the fordtechguy on youtube has outdated info regarding the cleaners as far as I can tell. Since then I believe the good cleaners have improved their product to adapt to these newer engines. Didn't Ford do some update to allow the back of the valves to get a little fuel dumped on them to help the Gen 1 3.5TT? CRC seems like they know what they are doing and their product shouldn't harm anything if properly used.
So I should have been a New Yorker...
I suggest everyone making smart ass comments, watch the Fordtechmakuloco vid on youtube. He goes into detail of how Ford deals with this issue, UNDER WARRANTY. He says, Ford 'cleaners' do not work. They put on a new head. BMW tears down the head and cleans it. It does not prevent it from happening again. I do however, wish everyone...good luck with the spray. This sounds like another reason, I will not buy another Ford.
I have watched it, YEARS ago, then I kept reading and learning. I did not stop there. I bought a 15 Used anyway. Then when that was totaled, replaced it with a New 17. Daily Drive a 2.7 EB Edge also. No Regrets!
One Techs Opinion from 4 YEARS Ago. I respect his knowledge and have watched many of his videos. He owns a Dodge as his daily driver. He doesn’t work on the 3.5 often and does a lot of his videos on the older Motors. He is the only person you keep referencing.
Thanks for your opinion from your hours of internet reading and video watching. Those of us that own them and have hands on experience dealing with and servicing them will ignore it.
Moving on. Will post a pic and vid of doing a treatment on my 17 in the next week. Wife has been working a lot, and she works 12+ hour shifts, so the Expy has been out of the driveway a lot.
Everybody have a great Friday! Now that NCAA BB is done for the evening I am calling it a night.
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How about never using any induction cleaner? There are quite a few high mileage 3.5T F-150s on the road that have no catch can or did any induction cleaning.
From 2 of the articles previously posted, both said the build up issues occurred in older german cars. There were very few instances of it on the newer motors (not the ones that now have 2 fuel injection systems). Why? Better engine management with thorough design.
https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...28082-300-000-miles-my-2011-eco-boost-14.html
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
https://jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670
I like this one for the graphics of how the motor works
https://www.americantrucks.com/everything-about-the-ecoboost-f150.html
From 2 of the articles previously posted, both said the build up issues occurred in older german cars. There were very few instances of it on the newer motors (not the ones that now have 2 fuel injection systems). Why? Better engine management with thorough design.
https://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/...28082-300-000-miles-my-2011-eco-boost-14.html
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
https://jalopnik.com/heres-how-a-ford-f-150-ecoboost-held-up-after-200-000-m-1790602670
I like this one for the graphics of how the motor works
https://www.americantrucks.com/everything-about-the-ecoboost-f150.html
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I'm going the route of following the manufacturer's recommended maintenance and nothing more. Although based on the 300K miles F-150 thread and a previously posted article, I'll pull the plugs to see their condition for replacement this summer. Understand that I do check the fluid levels and air filter often and change earlier if I see it needs it.
I did purchase an extended warranty to 125,000 miles. If it can't make it to 150,000 following regular maintenance, Ford won't get another penny from me. I'll go back to a Toyota 4runner, sequoia or lexus SUV for a daily driver and rent a uhaul truck for the few times I need to tow beyond it's rating.
I did purchase an extended warranty to 125,000 miles. If it can't make it to 150,000 following regular maintenance, Ford won't get another penny from me. I'll go back to a Toyota 4runner, sequoia or lexus SUV for a daily driver and rent a uhaul truck for the few times I need to tow beyond it's rating.
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Completely possible you won’t have any issues. Might be a factor in how much you idle vs highway? Many factors at play.
The ones I worked on, the people complained about lost MPG, and throttle response. One had a nasty idle. All were improved by doing the cleaning. It wasn’t like a brand new motor, but a definite improvement. This isn’t a magic elixir.
All of these were over 100K. 2 or 3 of them were 2014’s, and a few others were older than that.
One of those 2014’s is a real good friend and he was the first one I did. He didn’t have the money to do the tear down, so he was willing to give it a try. He is 40K+ down the road and has done a cleaning every 20K or so since, and he has seen small improvements every time.
I do think improvements have been made in managing late cycle injections to minimize blow by and changes in flow design, the ultimate improvement being adding Port Injection.
Just make an educated decision. Read, and listen to people who have actually touched one of these motors, not people that have ZERO real world experience.
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The emboldened section alone is enough to realise it's writer has no understanding of this.
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FWIW: guys.....ANY time that you use a "cleaner" inside the engine, please be aware that distillates clean by removing...whether it be a little flaking carbon wisps or the lubricating oil from cylinder walls and valve stem guides.....ALWAYS use it intermittently.....in short blasts separated by a moment....never as one drawn out spray.
It won't be a life changing result if you do strip the oils......but it's nice to keep your engine in the best shape it can be in w/o intentionally hurting it.
jeff
It won't be a life changing result if you do strip the oils......but it's nice to keep your engine in the best shape it can be in w/o intentionally hurting it.
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Thanks Jeff, That is the way CRC explains to do it. Short bursts while keeping RPM’s between 2K and not to exceed 3.5K.
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sThat's my hesitation with these elixirs. I've heard that your engine needs constant lubrication, even a very short burst with less lubrication is detrimental. I guess some might say that when you first start your engine there is brief lapse in lubrication due to oil not flowing yet and extra fuel diluting what is there and the engine survives. But then some point out that that is the hardest time on an engine, especially when cold. It seems like a lot of the same people that like 3000 miles oil changes with full synthetic also like to dump raw fuel into their cylinders for cleaning purposes. I probably have a few things mixed up here.
That, and the reality of this world that there is always someone who will be happy to sell you something (where they make a profit) and it really doesn't do anything. All those tv commercials for pills are a good example. In fact, they might be harmful!! Even Vitamins, there has never been a medical study that demonstrates any benefit to taking Vitamins.
I've routinely cleaned the variable exhaust valves on my snowmobile and no solvent does much of anything to that crud in any short time period. You need elbow grease and time (and even razor blades) to clean the gunk up. Don't see how a quick burst of a solvent is going to clean much of anything. Is that the same carbonized deposits that these elixirs are supposed to clean up? Its a 2 cycle engine so I'm sure its different. but similar?
Hey … I dunno. I've never been in an engine watching while the stuff passes through. I've never taken an engine apart and examined it before and after. Has anyone? I'm allowed to have my thoughts and sharing them the same as the folks who have different viewpoints and I'm not telling them they are wrong, since I dunno.
That, and the reality of this world that there is always someone who will be happy to sell you something (where they make a profit) and it really doesn't do anything. All those tv commercials for pills are a good example. In fact, they might be harmful!! Even Vitamins, there has never been a medical study that demonstrates any benefit to taking Vitamins.
I've routinely cleaned the variable exhaust valves on my snowmobile and no solvent does much of anything to that crud in any short time period. You need elbow grease and time (and even razor blades) to clean the gunk up. Don't see how a quick burst of a solvent is going to clean much of anything. Is that the same carbonized deposits that these elixirs are supposed to clean up? Its a 2 cycle engine so I'm sure its different. but similar?
Hey … I dunno. I've never been in an engine watching while the stuff passes through. I've never taken an engine apart and examined it before and after. Has anyone? I'm allowed to have my thoughts and sharing them the same as the folks who have different viewpoints and I'm not telling them they are wrong, since I dunno.
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Not a 3000 Mile oil change person, and run Syn Blend. I am covered by my dealer until 100K for oil changes, so it gets the Syn Blend every time and they do the oil change if it is there and over 3K from the last one. So some of mine have been at 6K, but most have been less than 5K...
Yes, they need to stay lubricated, any engine does. But we are talking, not long, and under VERY low load. 2K RPM while sitting still.
The instructions from CRC are to wait for Engine to be at operating temp before starting procedure, so not a cold Motor. Motor is still running, oil is still actively being pumped around.
Also, you spray then let sit as the Middle step. Should really read the instructions or watch one of the videos to understand the process.
Maybe this stuff would be worth trying on the Snow Mobile? Not sure.
Nobody I am aware of has done a before after, because that would require more tear down, and the whole reason to use the cleaner is to prevent having to do that.
Love the discussion! You came at it from a educated point, not just a “Don’t do it, OMG, I read some stuff on the Internet!”
My recommendation of it is based on real world positive results with no apparent negatives. That is all I can speak to, and all I have spoken to. Oh, and correcting inaccurate statements.
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Ford did. I didn't see a catch can on it & I doubt they did induction cleaning.
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
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Yep. I think you might be on to something there.
That Motor NEVER saw a break or an easy day. It was always under heavy load or being driven hard. Ford didn’t see issues, as most manufacturers until vehicles were in customer hands, where lots of idling and low load with no heavy load.
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You know I joined this forum because I love my Ford Expy and I want to know more about it. Here we can share our experiences with others to save money and get the best performance out of our trucks that we can.
I very much liked what you had to say on this thread the first time but, saying the same thing over and over without new input or new evidence just makes me question what you said the first time.
P S If you are not going to buy another Ford that is your loss. If you are going to put down Fords, turn in your membership and spread your hate somewhere else.
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