Definition of Expedition

[TobyU]

An Expedition is a truck based, body on frame, similar dimensions to a F150. I have a hard time saying its an SUV, like a Rav 4 or Nissan Rouge. Those are more like unibody cars.

I look at it the other way and think of SUVs as a body on a truck frame. I call all the smaller ones that are basically lifted station wagons crossovers.
I don't know if the first SUVs were on truck frames but when the term got popular most of them were. The Chevy Blazer, Ford Explorer, Suburban, K5 Blazer we're all truck frames. Remember when jeep was the only one that had a unibody for the Grand Cherokee and they used it as a marketing feature (NOT) but everyone actually hated it. Even the Jeep people would have rather had an actual frame or they could have had it easier lifting abilities but the Jeep mentality is such a cult following that they rationalized it and got over it.
I guess it's the utility part of the sport utility that I think means I should be on a truck frame.. The smaller ones that are just cars with rear cargo areas should be called carryalls or multi-purpose.

 

[1955moose]

Remember when Corvettes were touted as having a truck chassis with a fiberglass body. Probably explains why the c1 and c2 rode so horrible, but they did keep those bias ply tires planted, sorta. Problem is, that SUV people want it all. They want horsepower, luxury, and a killer ride, like a Lincoln Town car. Oh yeah and be able to go to the mountains during the ski season. Like Vail, or Tahoe. But in life theirs trade-off so their will always be a person that loves or hates something.

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[RhinoQuartz]

I look at it the other way and think of SUVs as a body on a truck frame. I call all the smaller ones that are basically lifted station wagons crossovers.
I don't know if the first SUVs were on truck frames but when the term got popular most of them were. The Chevy Blazer, Ford Explorer, Suburban, K5 Blazer we're all truck frames. Remember when jeep was the only one that had a unibody for the Grand Cherokee and they used it as a marketing feature (NOT) but everyone actually hated it. Even the Jeep people would have rather had an actual frame or they could have had it easier lifting abilities but the Jeep mentality is such a cult following that they rationalized it and got over it.
I guess it's the utility part of the sport utility that I think means I should be on a truck frame.. The smaller ones that are just cars with rear cargo areas should be called carryalls or multi-purpose.

The unibody ones are actually called CUVs or Crossover Utility Vehicles (for the most part). They used to be lumped in with full size SUVs, but since theres been such a surge in demand and market segment fragmentation of them, the name is now properly used.
The Explorer, for example, is absolutely a slightly larger and higher station wagon. Its actually listed as such on the title. And it can go off road too, however those who buy it usually don't. I know I'm guilty of that, but damn it's tough to find that much cargo space on something with AWD that also doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Hopefully it'll see some mud in the upcoming months.

NB gonna have to mark me down as a hypocrite Toby, as I did just wander off topic.

 

[cmiles97]

I think the 4runner is the last of body on frame mid sized SUV and it's being redesigned soon.

Was the crown vic/Lincoln town car the last sedan that was body on frame?

Heck even sedans are going to go the way of the dinosaur soon as the buying public is all in for CUVs.

I wonder if the new Bronco & Trail Blazer will be body on frame vehicles?

 

[1955moose]

Its funny we started out with truck like cars in the beginning, at the start of the 20th century, and we're heading full circle, albeit really nice, smooth clean running vehicles. Makes you wonder what comes after the SUV/CUV vehicles get long in the tooth. Wonder if we'll still be using gasoline in 2039? By then, maybe the 7th edition Expedition, or whatever they call it, will be a supercharged 4 cylinder with 600 horsepower, and get 40 mpg. Price? Right around $150,000 for the Platinum.

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[TobyU]

The unibody ones are actually called CUVs or Crossover Utility Vehicles (for the most part). They used to be lumped in with full size SUVs, but since theres been such a surge in demand and market segment fragmentation of them, the name is now properly used.
The Explorer, for example, is absolutely a slightly larger and higher station wagon. Its actually listed as such on the title. And it can go off road too, however those who buy it usually don't. I know I'm guilty of that, but damn it's tough to find that much cargo space on something with AWD that also doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Hopefully it'll see some mud in the upcoming months.

NB gonna have to mark me down as a hypocrite Toby, as I did just wander off topic.

See, it's ok. Somebody will learn something. I knew the CUV term I just always say crossover for the smaller ones.
Does unibody make the determination??? Aren't Jeep Grand Cherokees considered or called SUVs by Jeep and most others?? They were the first unibody standout as I mentioned above.

The Explorer was an SUV when it had a body on frame...and most still call it an SUV but it is a unibody now correct? and it going back to frame did I read???

That's where the terms can get messy.
I guess I just do a size thing. If its big or at least medium size or bigger it gets called SUV: if smaller it gets crossover....or sometimes I say little SUV too.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

See, it's ok. Somebody will learn something. I knew the CUV term I just always say crossover for the smaller ones.
Does unibody make the determination??? Aren't Jeep Grand Cherokees considered or called SUVs by Jeep and most others?? They were the first unibody standout as I mentioned above.

The Explorer was an SUV when it had a body on frame...and most still call it an SUV but it is a unibody now correct? and it going back to frame did I read???

That's where the terms can get messy.
I guess I just do a size thing. If its big or at least medium size or bigger it gets called SUV: if smaller it gets crossover....or sometimes I say little SUV too.

I thought the unibody determined the name, but apparently it is size. Although I've just gone by size as well, it's easier to distinguish that way.

The Explorer is staying unibody btw. It is, however, going back to RWD biased w/AWD as an option, as opposed to FWD biased.

 

[TobyU]

I knew I read something that made me happy about the Explorer. That must be it because rear-wheel-drive with the option for all wheel drive or 4 wheel drive even better makes me happy.
A real a real frame makes me happy too. It's not just because I'm old school. I actually think it's simpler for future and old-age repairs.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

I knew I read something that made me happy about the Explorer. That must be it because rear-wheel-drive with the option for all wheel drive or 4 wheel drive even better makes me happy.
A real a real frame makes me happy too. It's not just because I'm old school. I actually think it's simpler for future and old-age repairs.

The intelligent AWD is an upgraded 4WD. While not explicitly labelled as such, 4 Hi and 4 Lo can be enabled.

 

[TobyU]

The intelligent AWD is an upgraded 4WD. While not explicitly labelled as such, 4 Hi and 4 Lo can be enabled.

At least it has a switch and not like the old mountaineers.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

At least it has a switch and not like the old mountaineers.

You can enable it in the 5th generation Explorers too, they're just labelled as 'mud' and 'sand' mode, respectively.

 

[jeff kushner]

My Pinto was Unibody....yup, my 1980 Bright Yellow hatchback. Unibody is just a method of manufacturer...........and you all wondered where I got my fear of dying in a car wreck?

lol

My friend Moose....we (er my kids) will be lucky to be able to drive their own vehicles by 2039....with the insurance industry 100% onboard, the US CoC issued a new mission statement indicating a full-on rush to self driving.



jeff

 

[1955moose]

Well Jeff, 20 years from now I'll be 84, and you 81 I think. Probably won't be alive or if, driving anymore. But yeah, it's heading that way. Not a commercial or ad I see everyday that doesn't show a Nissan, or some make, that stays in lane by itself, or parks itself. When robots take over, where's everybody at the blue collar level going to work? They'll have a workforce that can work 24/7 without a break. No strikes, no cost of living wage increases, etc. Their will be robots to build and service the robots. Hey maybe by then, the mechanic, who isn't human will get your Ford fixed right first time.

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[jeff kushner]

Hey maybe by then, the mechanic, who isn't human will get your Ford fixed right first time.

Great thought....but then;
No, they will program it with algorithms that mimic the failure rate of the old service managers...to make more $$$

LMAO....

jeff

 

[TobyU]

My Pinto was Unibody....yup, my 1980 Bright Yellow hatchback. Unibody is just a method of manufacturer...........and you all wondered where I got my fear of dying in a car wreck?

lol

My friend Moose....we (er my kids) will be lucky to be able to drive their own vehicles by 2039....with the insurance industry 100% onboard, the US CoC issued a new mission statement indicating a full-on rush to self driving.



jeff

True. They will eventually force all of us drivers off the road and into self-driving cars. It's absolutely pathetic.

 

[TobyU]

A lot of the future is going to be a very terrible Place. Some people openly Embrace everything with technology and everything else I don't. I pick and choose and have opinions on each specific aspect. Unfortunately lots of things are related. Eventually when they get the numbers down where nobody basically dies in traffic wrecks and stuff like that and if they get more diseases cured and life spans up we're going to be so much more ridiculously overpopulated that it will be annoying to be alive. I know it sounds awful and rude but I like things to stay somewhat the way they've always been I don't like drastic changes or even slow changes when the end result is a lot different from where you started. I know this is relative because I'm not talking about I would like to be driving model As around but I think you get the idea.
I can't stand large Urban cities or public transportation. There has been a push for decades to get everyone into public transportation. This will basically solve that problem making all the cars automated and them all driving in a nice little straight train line down the road. It will be like a train just for individual cars can turn off when they need to. It will suck nine out of ten ways. The only good thing about it is you will be able to be on your phone or laptop and totally not pay attention to the drive and get more stuff done or sleep while you're on your way somewhere. That is the only positive in any of this. All the rest I would much rather keep things the way we have them now.

 

[1955moose]

Enjoy the drive while you can. As tough as you think things are, just like the 70's and 80's we thought weren't that great, these are the best days of your life. We're all fairly healthy, and that won't last forever. I guess the good news will be they can't pop you for a DUI. You and your buddies, or the Mrs can get plowed, and say Robby drive me home! Lawyers won't be making their DUI money anymore, but their will be something new for them to go to court over.

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[bobmbx]

I'm sorry, but............all this talk about what is or is not an SUV is cruel. Why has no one bothered to ask the vehicles how they identify themselves?

Shame....shame on all of you.....

 

[Plati]

I'm sorry, but............all this talk about what is or is not an SUV is cruel. Why has no one bothered to ask the vehicles how they identify themselves?

Shame....shame on all of you.....

Not to mention an SUV that identifies as a Truck. You've labelled it as a SUV, not Polically Correct. Perhaps a Chevy that wants to transform into a Ford. We of course understand and can't blame the Chevy for that. The Chevy can go to any Ford dealer they want for OEM service. FoMoCo will be required by law to make and distribute all parts for the FordChevy. Etc.

Warning ... This is humor !

 

[1955moose]

Sticker your closer than you think. Isn't the new 10 speed Automatics in the F150/Expedition made by General Motors and Ford as a joint venture, albeit in their own factories. Theirs also a 9 speed transaxle for the front wheel drive vehicles. Kinda like back in late 40's, early 50's, when Ford bought GM 4 speed Automatics for their 49-52 Lincoln Cosmopolitan. Hudson did the same.

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