Piece of junk

[CJJB]

Anytime I make a service appointment for a warranty issue, I arrange a loaner vehicle (typically F150 crew cab) before I drop off my Expy to avoid any waiting. Perhaps that strategy would simplify things for you a bit if your dealer is reasonable to work with.

I tried to make arrangements for a loaner before I get my Expy repaired but the Ford dealership claims the wait is 5 weeks before I'd be able to have a loaner. My Expedition now has a leak from the Vista Roof after the dealership repaired it. I have to keep it garaged until Ford Motor Co give authorization to allow a warranty whole Vista roof replacement.

 

[and0r]

There is a level of expectation for quality when you pay over $60,000 for a vehicle that exceeds what you expect of a $18,000 car.

Yes, do you understand what it's like to just create a vehicle from thin air? It's quite the far stretch from banging two rocks together and throwing spears at fuzzy elephants. I can write a thick 900 page book on creating just the aluminum stock needed for the frame assembly, and not the fame assembly itself. You know, there's a million other components involved with a vehicle too, from the automatic transmission to the exhaust gas recycling system. If a door rattles and it makes your princess-self feel emotional, then perhaps go buy a Japanese vehicle which will make you feel much more comfortable and in your safe space. You know the Japanese are very efficient. Despite all the propaganda we hear about them, their actual culture is very primitive and somewhat ruthless. Very similar to much poorer Asian nations. Go purchase your slave-made Japanese vehicle with everything working perfectly because it was basically designed for free under brutal working conditions. And stay away from American vehicles, you don't belong!

 

[scottdm]

Yes, do you understand what it's like to just create a vehicle from thin air? It's quite the far stretch from banging two rocks together and throwing spears at fuzzy elephants. I can write a thick 900 page book on creating just the aluminum stock needed for the frame assembly, and not the fame assembly itself. You know, there's a million other components involved with a vehicle too, from the automatic transmission to the exhaust gas recycling system. If a door rattles and it makes your princess-self feel emotional, then perhaps go buy a Japanese vehicle which will make you feel much more comfortable and in your safe space. You know the Japanese are very efficient. Despite all the propaganda we hear about them, their actual culture is very primitive and somewhat ruthless. Very similar to much poorer Asian nations. Go purchase your slave-made Japanese vehicle with everything working perfectly because it was basically designed by a slave under brutal working conditions. And stay away from American vehicles, you don't belong!

Um.... Yeah.... Achieving high quality and fit and finish is not a bad thing, and Ford could stand to learn a few things from Toyota in this area. Defending poor quality isn't very logical, but to each his own I suppose!

 

[and0r]

Um.... Yeah.... Achieving high quality and fit and finish is not a bad thing, and Ford could stand to learn a few things from Toyota in this area. Defending poor quality isn't very logical, but to each his own I suppose!

Defending poor quality? I'm defending vast, infinite manufacturing complexity, as obviously described in my previous message. Perhaps you didn't read this message, or failed to comprehend? Because your reply is somewhat perplexing.
You honestly have no idea how vehicles are designed in Japan. There are very few regulations, again very much similar to poorer Asian nations. Almost zero overhead in insurance policy and various guidelines in all manner of manufacturing and other regulation. Also, most workers, even engineers are payed very little. This is the reality of Japan. Very different from the picture we have of highly intelligent civilized beings. Their manufacturing and workforce economy are almost as primitive as Mexico and China.
Sure, most Japanese vehicles we drive are manufactured in the United States, which is good. But all the leg work, all the industrial design and testing, is done in basically a 3rd world nation (Japan) for a fraction of the cost. This is exactly why the Focus is not even produced in America anymore. You can pretty much thank the Japanese for that.

 

[stricnine]

Um.... Yeah.... Achieving high quality and fit and finish is not a bad thing, and Ford could stand to learn a few things from Toyota in this area. Defending poor quality isn't very logical, but to each his own I suppose!

Toyota’s quality is not good at all right now, especially with the 4Runner. I testt drove two TRD Pro’s, a SR5 and the TRD Off Road before turning to the Expedition. Every single one had death wobble. Upon further research I found out that this is a common issue in the steering column and they are potentially facing a class action law suit. So yeah, keep preaching Toyota, I’m not drinking that kool aid. Hahahahaha

 

[carymccarr]

Defending poor quality? I'm defending vast, infinite manufacturing complexity, as obviously posted in my previous message. Perhaps you didn't read this message, or failed to comprehend? Because your reply is somewhat perplexing.
You honestly have no idea how vehicles are designed in Japan. There are very few regulations, again very much similar to poorer Asian nations. Almost zero overhead in insurance policy and various guidelines in all manner of manufacturing and other regulations. Also, most workers, even engineers are payed very little. This is the reality of Japan. Very different from the picture we have of highly intelligent civilized beings. Their manufacturing and workforce economy are almost as primitive as Mexico and China.
Sure, most Japanese vehicles we drive are manufactured in the United States, which is good. But all the leg work, all the industrial design and testing, is done in basically a 3rd world nation (Japan) for a fraction of the cost. This is exactly why the Focus is not even produced in America anymore. You can pretty much thank the Japanese for that.

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[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Yes, do you understand what it's like to just create a vehicle from thin air? It's quite the far stretch from banging two rocks together and throwing spears at fuzzy elephants. I can write a thick 900 page book on creating just the aluminum stock needed for the frame assembly, and not the fame assembly itself. You know, there's a million other components involved with a vehicle too, from the automatic transmission to the exhaust gas recycling system. If a door rattles and it makes your princess-self feel emotional, then perhaps go buy a Japanese vehicle which will make you feel much more comfortable and in your safe space. You know the Japanese are very efficient. Despite all the propaganda we hear about them, their actual culture is very primitive and somewhat ruthless. Very similar to much poorer Asian nations. Go purchase your slave-made Japanese vehicle with everything working perfectly because it was basically designed by a slave under brutal working conditions. And stay away from American vehicles, you don't belong!

I always thought it was ironic that so many Japanese vehicles are made in America, by Americans, and so many Ford, GM and FCA vehicles are made outside of America - such as in Mexico.

It is hard to define an “American vehicle” any longer.

 

[scottdm]

I always thought it was ironic that so many Japanese vehicles are made in America, by Americans, and so many Ford, GM and FCA vehicles are made outside of America - such as in Mexico.

It is hard to define an “American vehicle” any longer.

Agreed that the supply chain is truly global nowadays!

 

[scottdm]

If a door rattles and it makes your princess-self feel emotional, then perhaps go buy a Japanese vehicle which will make you feel much more comfortable and in your safe space.

If this isn't a reference to poor quality, forgive my ignorance. You obviously are the self proclaimed expert.

 

[and0r]

If this isn't a reference to poor quality, forgive my ignorance. You obviously are the self proclaimed expert.

Again, you persist in your self defined ignorance.
Perhaps you believe that designing a vehicle is a simple process, like serving food to you on a plate in some kind of princess castle?
Perhaps I did not properly define the economic and industrial frameworks American manufactures have to compete in? Do you even know how much an American designer or engineer makes in comparison to a so-called "highly intelligent" Japanese one?
Given the actual reality of vehicle production, Ford vehicles are beyond impressive when you actually understand how they are designed and manufactured. Even the cost cutting is impressive. Especially that.
Go back to your Honda Civic bro.

 

[scottdm]

Again, you persist in your self defined ignorance.
Perhaps you believe that designing a vehicle is a simple process, like serving food to you on a plate in some kind of princess castle?
Perhaps I did not properly define the economic and industrial frameworks American manufactures have to compete in? Do you even know how much an American designer or engineer makes in comparison to a so-called "highly intelligent" Japanese one?
Given the actual reality of vehicle production, Ford vehicles are beyond impressive when you actually understand how they are designed and manufactured. Even the cost cutting is impressive. Especially that.
Go back to your Honda Civic bro.

Not your bro there big boy. As a mechanical engineer, I’m familiar with the design process. Glad you get your jolly’s from belittling others on the forum. The OP was concerned about quality issues with his new 75k Expedition. I have also experienced quality issues with my 4th Gen Expy and feel Ford could improve in this area. Consumer expectations are high with large purchases and Ford has room for improvement.

 

[and0r]

...Keep in mind that Japan is also the only nation on this planet which managed to cause a serious disaster with a 21st century, modern, and expensive nuclear reactor, literally polluting the environment with the most toxic substance on earth (by scale).
This is something not even China has managed to accomplish, with all their infancy in poor quality slave labor and factory pollution.
Where is the mystical "highly intelligent" Japanese engineering now?
Most certainly residing behind the veil of tribal stupidity.

 

[and0r]

Not your bro there big boy. As a mechanical engineer, I’m familiar with the design process. Glad you get your jolly’s from belittling others on the forum. The OP was concerned about quality issues with his new 75k Expedition. I have also experienced quality issues with my 4th Gen Expy and feel Ford could improve in this area. Consumer expectations are high with large purchases and Ford has room for improvement.

I highly doubt you are a genuine Expedition owner, or even know how to purchase the right Ford vehicle.
It would not surprise me if you actually drove a Honda Civic, I find this to be very likely. Especially regarding the history of your posts here on this message board. You don't seem to ever contribute any useful information.
One must ask what you are really doing here.
You also seem to hate Ford, though this is only an assumption.
Perhaps you are here in need of financial advice? Do you know what salary is reasonably required to even afford a $20,000 dollar Honda Civic?
You must excuse my assumption that you do not.

 

[carymccarr]

...Keep in mind that Japan is also the only nation on this planet which managed to cause a serious disaster with a 21st century, modern, and expensive nuclear reactor, literally polluting the environment with the most toxic substance on earth (by scale).
This is something not even China has managed to accomplish, with all their infancy in poor quality slave labor and factory pollution.
Where is the mystical "highly intelligent" Japanese engineering now?
Most certainly residing behind the veil of tribal stupidity.

Between just us, tell us, where did the Japanese touch you? Here show us on the doll...

 

[scottdm]

I highly doubt you are a genuine Expedition owner, or even know how to purchase the right Ford vehicle.
It would not surprise me if you actually drove a Honda Civic, I find this to be very likely. Especially regarding the history of your posts here on this message board. You don't seem to ever contribute any useful information.
One must ask what you are really doing here.
You also seem to hate Ford, though this is only an assumption.
Perhaps you are here in need of financial advice? Do you know what salary is reasonably required to even afford a $20,000 dollar Honda Civic?
You must excuse my assumption that you do not.

I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is obviously unarmed. Have a nice day.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Between just us, tell us, where did the Japanese touch you? Here show us on the doll...

This. Is. Amazing.

You win, the rest of us can just pack up and try again tomorrow.

 

[and0r]

Between just us, tell us, where did the Japanese touch you? Here show us on the doll...

Nowhere? Or are you pretending the notion of Japanese superiority is not common to the point in where it needs to be addressed such as I have?

I choose not to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is obviously unarmed. Have a nice day.

No, you are simply ignoring the logic presented by myself, and making incoherent replies, probably because you cant think of anything better to say? Again assumptions.
Are you just disregarding everything I mention here, by pretending it does not exist? The way you reply is fascinating. Please try to at least quote something other than the cheap shots I make at you.
If you can.

 

[edizzle]

ours has been wildly reliable. 60,000 miles and we have had one issue that was serious but quickly addressed. a loose ground wire in passengers floor board that was causing some serious electrical issues. my only "quality" complaint is the sunroof rattle. i never took it in to have it looked at but my god, it drove me nuts!!!!! crack it even .5" it would stop. we have abused this thing. we live on a gravel road that washboards and ruts at times. we live at 4,000 ft elevation and have NO straight roads, you are eather braking or accelerating. it would be tough to put one through the ringer like we have, and i am 100% satisfied!! so much so that we actually just replaced it with a brand new 2019 Platinum!!

 

[Rossue]

First long distance drive with our 3 month old expedition max platinum. First the horn stops working, then the ford synch 3 Bluetooth cuts in and out and now the back latch on the trunk rattles non stop. 9000 miles on it.

Are you sure the rattle isn't the Dealer's plastic license plate holder? I had to get in the back while my wife drove and couldn't believe it, yet was relieved to was a simple fix.

 

[bill_b]

Coming from a pair of Toyotas in a Highlander and 4runner now to our 2019 expedition I will say that I'm not entirely satisfied with the quality of a few things. I am by no means a Toyota fan boy btw... Those were the first and only 2 we've ever owned.

My 3 gripes that ours will be going in for is
-panaromic sunroof rattle, after researching a little on the f150 boards there seems to be no remedy for this

-the drive side door panel arm rest creaks and cracks like a mother anytjme you drive over bumps or lean your knee against it

-red stiching on driver seat is starting to unravel... I don't know if that's the correct term.. this should be an easy fix lol.


One other complaint but I know is just the way the vehicle is is that man this vehicle is a rough ride at low speeds on back bumpy roads... I've had cars lowered on cheapy coilovers that were about the same ride quality.

Aside from all of that I absolutely love the expedition. Wish I could keep some miles off of it but I enjoy driving the thing too much lol.