2016 / 2017 Sync 3.4 Success?

[G213]

Anyone had success with taking their 2016 or 2017 to Sync 3.4? Thinking of trying it myself, but trying to read all I can about it first.

 

[11henrs]

For $109? Or you’ve got another way?


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[G213]

Apparently there is a way to do it without upgrading your APIM.

https://cyanlabs.net/tutorials/update-ford-sync-3-2-2-3-0-to-version-3-4-all-years-3-4-19200/

 

[mossback]

LokiWolf has done it.

 

[G213]

Great Success! Very Nice!

Tested it thoroughly, everything works. (Didn't test Android Auto, but CarPlay works) Definitely feels more responsive and cleaner than 3.0

Still no temperature wheel overlay though...we'll have to keep digging for that.

Whoever put this all together and made it work deserves an award.




For reference, this is on a 2016. I originally had updated from 2.* to 3.0 after changing out the USB interface. So this took me from 3.0 to 3.4 without issue.

 

[LokiWolf]

Yep, Been running it for Months. Before CyanLabs released there all in one files and instructions. Their website posted above is by far the easiest and best way to accomplish.

No overlay will never come. Screwing with FORSCAN, I got the overlay to permanently show up, with no number and response to turning the temp wheel. Like HVAC in the right MFD, and Tire pressure in the left MFD, the coding just isn’t there.

I highly recommend 3.4. The Cyan Labs files also include the 1/18 Map Data. So win/win there!

Like was partially mentioned above you MUST be on the 2017 or newer USB hub or you will get an error every time you start up. The 2016 hub will work, but will cause an error on startup on the Sync Screen. Android or iOS does not matter. 3.4 is designed for the newer hub hardware.

Also, make sure you do the 3rd install to go to 19274 Version. 19101, and 19100 are a bit glitchy.


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[LokiWolf]

For $109? Or you’ve got another way?


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Who was charging for it?


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[11henrs]

Ford sent a letter about the update and when I saw how much it was I threw it away and didn’t look at it again. I think I confused the maps update with this update to 3.4


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[LokiWolf]

Ford sent a letter about the update and when I saw how much it was I threw it away and didn’t look at it again. I think I confused the maps update with this update to 3.4


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Yes, the Map update was on sale from Ford for $109. It was $199 before. This 3.4 update includes the same Map update.


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[G213]

No overlay will never come. Screwing with FORSCAN, I got the overlay to permanently show up, with no number and response to turning the temp wheel. Like HVAC in the right MFD, and Tire pressure in the left MFD, the coding just isn’t there.

Sucks. Well at least we know now.

Also, make sure you do the 3rd install to go to 19274 Version. 19101, and 19100 are a bit glitchy.

Good call, I didn't do that yet. I read that they blacklisted the boot loader for that version. But I'm assuming you just use the typical upgrade path and it works?


One other question for you @LokiWolf .... I noticed this morning that some of the navigation text was in UK english...(i.e. favourites instead of favorites)...Anyway to change that with ForScan? Not a huge deal, just curious.

 

[Ghostwolf]

For those who have successfully upgraded Sync 3 to version 3.4:

Did you do the APIM firmware upgrade or not?

I'm still trying to determine if this is required or recommended, and if recommended, why? The Cyanlabs link talks a lot about how Forscan can't do this but UCDS can, and I'm not wildly enthusiastic about buying a UCDS just to update firmware in one module that might (possibly, maybe) not need it.

 

[LokiWolf]

Good call, I didn't do that yet. I read that they blacklisted the boot loader for that version. But I'm assuming you just use the typical upgrade path and it works?


One other question for you @LokiWolf .... I noticed this morning that some of the navigation text was in UK english...(i.e. favourites instead of favorites)...Anyway to change that with ForScan? Not a huge deal, just curious.

Did you use the CyanLabs AIO Files? If you did you should not have that issue.

Goto 19274. I was on 19101 for about 2 hours in my Edge, and minutes in the Expy. 19274 takes care of a lot of bugs! Maybe it will take care of the language.

Yes, Once you do 19274 the boot loader will not work, but you don’t need it. The issue will be if there is ever a reason to go to 3.5. We will cross that bridge when it comes.


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[LokiWolf]

For those who have successfully upgraded Sync 3 to version 3.4:

Did you do the APIM firmware upgrade or not?

I'm still trying to determine if this is required or recommended, and if recommended, why? The Cyanlabs link talks a lot about how Forscan can't do this but UCDS can, and I'm not wildly enthusiastic about buying a UCDS just to update firmware in one module that might (possibly, maybe) not need it.

You do not need the Firmware to go to 3.4. All 7 vehicles I have done now I have not done it. The Beta version for developers for FORSCAN can do it with the correct adapter, but it is a PAIN!

The Ford Engineer’s I talked to, say it increases the risk of failure. And then you don’t have access to the ford equipment to recover from it if it fails.

It is like going from 1803 Windows 10 to 1909 Windows 10, should you do the BIOS flash on your computer, yes. Will it work with no issues without, Yes. Difference here is the Flash greatly increases the risk of failure because of complexity.

Follow the CyanLabs instructions use their AIO files and you will not have any issues.

You need three flash drives to do it at once.

1) Format Tool(Small)
2) 3.4 Files including 1/18 Map Files (16GB is my recommenced as the install uses the space for swap space).
3) 19274 Update(4GB, Again, bigger than install for swap space)

Hope that helps.



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[Ghostwolf]

You do not need the Firmware to go to 3.4. All 7 vehicles I have done now I have not done it. The Beta version for developers for FORSCAN can do it with the correct adapter, but it is a PAIN!

The Ford Engineer’s I talked to, say it increases the risk of failure. And then you don’t have access to the ford equipment to recover from it if it fails.

It is like going from 1803 Windows 10 to 1909 Windows 10, should you do the BIOS flash on your computer, yes. Will it work with no issues without, Yes. Difference here is the Flash greatly increases the risk of failure because of complexity.

Follow the CyanLabs instructions use their AIO files and you will not have any issues.

You need three flash drives to do it at once.

1) Format Tool(Small)
2) 3.4 Files including 1/18 Map Files (16GB is my recommenced as the install uses the space for swap space).
3) 19274 Update(4GB, Again, bigger than install for swap space)

Hope that helps.



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Yes, that is very helpful. Thank you.

 

[G213]

Goto 19274. I was on 19101 for about 2 hours in my Edge, and minutes in the Expy. 19274 takes care of a lot of bugs! Maybe it will take care of the language.

Confirm successful installation of 19274. However, it didn't resolve the language issue.

Did you use the CyanLabs AIO Files? If you did you should not have that issue.

Confirm that I used CyanLabs AIO files for the US. However, I did enable "Nav in Motion" (NiM) using ForScan. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that enabling NiM puts the unit into EU mode, since they don't have laws regarding touchscreen usage in motion.

I might try disabling NiM via ForScan and seeing what that gives me. Or maybe I need to disable NiM and redo the installation?

Everything else works perfectly though, so I almost don't want to mess with it. What do you think?

 

[bobmbx]

Confirm successful installation of 19274. However, it didn't resolve the language issue.



Confirm that I used CyanLabs AIO files for the US. However, I did enable "Nav in Motion" (NiM) using ForScan. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that enabling NiM puts the unit into EU mode, since they don't have laws regarding touchscreen usage in motion.

I might try disabling NiM via ForScan and seeing what that gives me. Or maybe I need to disable NiM and redo the installation?

Everything else works perfectly though, so I almost don't want to mess with it. What do you think?

IIRC, enabling NIM also disables the auto-911 function. I know there's a trade for NIM, not positive its the 9-11 function, though.

 

[LokiWolf]

Both of you are correct. The code you change to get Nav in motion has a few downsides.

It basically achieves it by telling Sync 3 that it is in a vehicle located in Europe.

Therefore you can use Nav because there is no law. Because it thinks you are in Europe, it disables and removes the 911 notification feature, and prevents the Sirius Navlink features from working.

The 911 was a deal breaker for me. Our 15 Expy called the Police for my Wife, when a lady turned in front of her at 45 MPH. She was OK, but if she wasn’t that could make a significant difference.

G213, did you go to 19274? If not, that would be what I would try first.


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[G213]

Both of you are correct. The code you change to get Nav in motion has a few downsides.

It basically achieves it by telling Sync 3 that it is in a vehicle located in Europe.

Therefore you can use Nav because there is no law. Because it thinks you are in Europe, it disables and removes the 911 notification feature, and prevents the Sirius Navlink features from working.

The 911 was a deal breaker for me. Our 15 Expy called the Police for my Wife, when a lady turned in front of her at 45 MPH. She was OK, but if she wasn’t that could make a significant difference.

G213, did you go to 19274? If not, that would be what I would try first.

Yup, installed successfully. Still in the UK mode.

 

[LokiWolf]

Gotta be the NiM. You deal with the fancy English or turn it off. If you do, and it switches to US I would love to know. Just to close the loop.


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[chuck s]

What do I need? Three 32G USB thingies? They're cheap at Walmart so I'll pick them up as soon as I get dressed up enough for them.

How long does it take? Engine idling or battery charger connected work fine?

Thanks,

-- Chck