lift with air ride

[Fozzy]

My guess is pizza cutters or spacers.


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[LokiWolf]

Without the Link, the CCD has no reference in Ride. No Matter your setting, it is basically staying it standard valving. It has no reference so it doesn’t think your suspension is changing. You basically have CCD with no benefits of CCD.

If you hooked up the links to adjust for the height change, you would get the ability to change, and it would have reference.

I thought you were leaving the stock links. That would cause issue, unless there is a way to recalibrate the CCD, for a different sensor position.

I have driven a 17 with CCD, and I definitely noticed the difference in settings. 35’s might numb that, but wouldn’t take it away.


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[Dakota4ce]

Without the Link, the CCD has no reference in Ride. No Matter your setting, it is basically staying it standard valving. It has no reference so it doesn’t think your suspension is changing. You basically have CCD with no benefits of CCD.

If you hooked up the links to adjust for the height change, you would get the ability to change, and it would have reference.

I thought you were leaving the stock links. That would cause issue, unless there is a way to recalibrate the CCD, for a different sensor position.

I have driven a 17 with CCD, and I definitely noticed the difference in settings. 35’s might numb that, but wouldn’t take it away.


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Sounds like Fozzy lifted the truck but used the stock links. He’s basically saying although the shocks are in a different valve setting, he can’t tell the difference.

I am looking to make the necessary adjustments so that the CCD works properly.

I don’t think anyone has discussed doing the lift and leaving the links off altogether.


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[Fozzy]

Without the Link, the CCD has no reference in Ride. No Matter your setting, it is basically staying it standard valving. It has no reference so it doesn’t think your suspension is changing. You basically have CCD with no benefits of CCD.

If you hooked up the links to adjust for the height change, you would get the ability to change, and it would have reference.

I thought you were leaving the stock links. That would cause issue, unless there is a way to recalibrate the CCD, for a different sensor position.

I have driven a 17 with CCD, and I definitely noticed the difference in settings. 35’s might numb that, but wouldn’t take it away.


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I can tell zero difference with the factory length links installed versus the corrected length links installed. All the settings still work. Sport still firms up the ride but there is no difference in quality or performance that I can feel. If you have a trailer on, car full of gear or completely empty. The sensors are going to be in a different location anyway. The tech I talked to said they will show a fault if they do not see a signal or are malfunctioning. He didn’t have time to look and see if there was a sensor position value. He said he was under the impression that they reset every key cycle. Anything in FORScan?


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[LokiWolf]

Fozzy,
Good info!

There are settings in FORSCAN to turn CCD on and off, and a few other things.

I would need to attach to a CCD equipped truck when it is running, but it looks like there is some live sensor data related to CCD.

What we have to remember is CCD is not a leveling system like Older Expy’s had that had Links like this. The links were used to determine relative height. The links on CCD are used to to determine rate and distance of deflection. The changed suspension length is just going to have a detriment in deflection. So it might not be able to measure the full range. The difference might not be enough to really be a detriment under normal conditions.

It makes perfect sense that it zero’s on each restart, because again, it isn’t a leveling system.

With all that being said a bracket to relocate or adjustable links that keep the factory starting angle would still be the preferred.


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[wingrider]

Dumb question, does any of this create any form of load leveling for towing, or is that ability long gone?

 

[LokiWolf]

Dumb question, does any of this create any form of load leveling for towing, or is that ability long gone?

Nope, CCD is not load leveling.

Last load leveling offered on the Expedition was 2017. Those were NoviMat shocks, that auto load leveled.

I have not seen any mention of that on the 4th Gen.


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[wingrider]

Nope, CCD is not load leveling.

Last load leveling offered on the Expedition was 2017. Those were NoviMat shocks, that auto load leveled.

I have not seen any mention of that on the 4th Gen.


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Thanks for the info.

Wow what a huge bummer. Towing is a big part of what I use my 2012 for and love the load leveling. Guess I will keep the '12 and pass on trading up for awhile.