I have cam phaser issue :(

[Fozzy]

Ford should have just let them rattle from the beginning. It could have been the signature sound of the EcoBoost and saved so many people from headache and fear of the motor.


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[Dice Roll]

April 8th of 19 was the cutoff for having updated stuff in it from factory. That’s what it says on the recall page at nhtsa or dot or whatever.

 

[AKentPhoto]

Ford should have just let them rattle from the beginning. It could have been the signature sound of the EcoBoost and saved so many people from headache and fear of the motor.

The mountain of lemon law buy backs probably made that decision for them...

At these price points I don't know many who would tolerate an engine that sound like it's lunching itself no matter what the dealer says. Especially on a new generation of vehicle. That is a quick way to send people back to their non turbo GM with tried and true LS...

@Dice Roll
Glad to hear the new parts made it to the production line sooner. I wonder if the fail rates on 19s compare to 18s?

 

[Commander Opus]

Same question: is this just an annoying rattle or will it become a bigger problem later?

 

[duneslider]

Same question: is this just an annoying rattle or will it become a bigger problem later?

Everything I have been able to find says it is just an annoying rattle and will not become a bigger problem. It only lasts a few seconds at startup (sometimes), only if it has been sitting for 6+ hours it seems. I honestly don't hear it unless the window is open, or a door is open. Based on my experience only, I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. My hemi had exhaust leaks that seemed to happen no matter what was done. Replaced the manifolds and studs several times and within a year or so a stud would snap and it would be noisy again.

 

[Bow512]

I don’t think it harms anything but it’s very annoying. Mine got worse as time went by. Started with a slight noise After sitting for 12+ hours and progressed to a pretty loud clatter for a few seconds after sitting just a couple hours. Mine started making slight sounds around 15k miles and I didn’t get it fixed until 30k. I waited that long as there wasn’t a “fix” until then. I didn’t notice any performance or mileage changes after vs before they were fixed.

 

[rjdelp7]

From what I hear, there is no damage that can occur as a result of this and it is only a brief noise until oil pressure locks it in place. It would be tough to sue someone for damages when there is technically nothing wrong with it, just a brief rattle noise. The part that is going bad is only there to prevent the rattle noise until oil pressure builds.

If nothing wrong, why would Ford fix vehicles under warranty? Cadillac ruined there reputation with the Northstar.

 

[duneslider]

If nothing wrong, why would Ford fix vehicles under warranty? Cadillac ruined there reputation with the Northstar.

Well, technically, there is something wrong, a part is bad and it rattles. However, there is a pretty broad issue with rattling heat shields on the F150 and I have hear of people getting that fixed. Again, that is much more annoying as it apparently doesn't go away after 3 seconds. A heat shield isn't a serious issue but they fix it?

 

[AAOO]

Mine is back! Sounds like absolute shit for a good 30 seconds - 1 minute after a cold start and it's getting louder as well. To make things worse the vista sunroof started creaking a couple of days ago.

 

[rjdelp7]

Well, technically, there is something wrong, a part is bad and it rattles. However, there is a pretty broad issue with rattling heat shields on the F150 and I have hear of people getting that fixed. Again, that is much more annoying as it apparently doesn't go away after 3 seconds. A heat shield isn't a serious issue but they fix it?

Hello? A loose HEAT SHIELD, is a safety issue.

 

[Gumby]

Just had mine done last week. They replaced 2 intake and 2 exhaust VCT phasers. Then had to do another oil change as there was coolant contaminating the oil. Some parts were backordered so it took 4 days! Just squeaked in under the powertrain warranty. I was at 99,891 kms lol.

 

[st381183]

Just had mine done last week. They replaced 2 intake and 2 exhaust VCT phasers. Then had to do another oil change as there was coolant contaminating the oil. Some parts were backordered so it took 4 days! Just squeaked in under the powertrain warranty. I was at 99,891 kms lol.

I’m not a mechanic but how did the coolant get into the oil? Was it due to the repairs or is something else going on?

 

[Gumby]

I’m not a mechanic but how did the coolant get into the oil? Was it due to the repairs or is something else going on?

I believe it was related to the phaser fix...I just got the copy of the work order via email today so I might ask them what happened.

 

[Vipersinu2]

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[Vipersinu2]

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[rjdelp7]

Oh boy, google search ecoboost water pump

Who ever 'designed' this should be shot.

 

[TheDoug]

Who ever 'designed' this should be shot.

This is the dumbest design I have ever seen.

 

[Vipersinu2]

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[Fozzy]

The water pump is inside the front cover, lets hope we dont have a water pump failure, that would destroy the engine if not caught quickly. The problem is, that we will not see the antizreeze leak on the ground for us to see, it would leak into the oil pan. Imo dumb design, we all know how long water pumps last! To change a water pump on this would be a nightmare. The timing chains have to come off, you need special tools to hold the cam shafts. Ugh what a mess and time consuming. Water pump on my mountaineer took 45 mins.

Any ways, I am guessing some fluid dripped down the block and into the oil pan.

Hopefully that the case.

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Do you drive a flex? The Expy has a 3.5l EcoBoost. Unless they have changed something it doesn’t look to bad.



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[JExpedition07]

Do you drive a flex? The Expy has a 3.5l EcoBoost. Unless they have changed something it doesn’t look to bad.



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The transverse mounted 3.5 Duratecs and Ecoboosts in the Explorers, Flex’s, Taurus use an internal water pump. The F-150 and Expy use a longitudinal driveline so there is more room and it’s located outside the cover. The Expy doesn’t have this issue so Fozzy is right, no need to worry. The solution on the others that do is....do not accept that and do not buy any vehicle that uses the internal water pump design. The “Trade in every few years” outlook just encourages junk designs from these automakers. Vote with the wallet!