shane_th_ee
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It looks like the short wheelbase gets the 3375 FAWR and 7450 GVWR.
Can we talk HD Tow one more time?
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Matthew Marlowe
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Max models get a 10-20% increase in payload with 9% longer wheelbase and 20% bigger fuel tank at the cost of 4% drop in fuel efficiency and 2% decrease in traditional tow trailer weight limit?
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Saltwater Soul
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Looks like I have 1585.
shane_th_ee
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And a 3% decrease in max tongue weight. Max is limited to 900lbs max tongue weight (WDH). Due to extra distance between the receiver and the rear axle??
LovinPSDs
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I’ll start a spread sheet of info once I get back home, we’re camping now. Perhaps we can narrow down what the unicorn of Payload is
Still never got the answer to my last question though!! Do FX4 NON HD tow have HD springs or “lighter” springs? Hard to dig deep here on my phone.
Still never got the answer to my last question though!! Do FX4 NON HD tow have HD springs or “lighter” springs? Hard to dig deep here on my phone.
Expedition Dave
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Lot of info here, I apologize if mentioned prior:
I have a 2020 FX4 + HD Tow Package. My GVWR is 7,450 LBs and max occupants and cargo is 1,746 LBs. I guess this translates to my truck weighing 5,704 LBs which is A LOT heavier than I thought it would be as those are the only two options checked...
One takeaway from this is the exact same same year/optioned MAX is exactly 270 lbs heavier (of which, maybe 40 +/- LBs of that is from wet extra fuel weight and larger gas tank). Yet can carry 159 more pounds of payload than me.
Don't know if the OP has been answered, but I DO have the reverse knob and brake controller.
Also, TTBOMK, it has the same tow capacity of any others, with a tongue weight of 600 LBs (900 with WDH) and maximum tow weight of 9,000 LBS (the full blown transfer case 4x4 subtracts 200 lbs of total tow capacity). The only thing that may seem unusual, is b/c the FX4 comes standard with 3.73s the HD Tow Pack option does not "add" them.
Also, the HD Tow Pack adds more frontal area (55 SF to 60 SF).
The below is helpful:
https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_Expedition_Oct15.pdf
I have a 2020 FX4 + HD Tow Package. My GVWR is 7,450 LBs and max occupants and cargo is 1,746 LBs. I guess this translates to my truck weighing 5,704 LBs which is A LOT heavier than I thought it would be as those are the only two options checked...
One takeaway from this is the exact same same year/optioned MAX is exactly 270 lbs heavier (of which, maybe 40 +/- LBs of that is from wet extra fuel weight and larger gas tank). Yet can carry 159 more pounds of payload than me.
Don't know if the OP has been answered, but I DO have the reverse knob and brake controller.
Also, TTBOMK, it has the same tow capacity of any others, with a tongue weight of 600 LBs (900 with WDH) and maximum tow weight of 9,000 LBS (the full blown transfer case 4x4 subtracts 200 lbs of total tow capacity). The only thing that may seem unusual, is b/c the FX4 comes standard with 3.73s the HD Tow Pack option does not "add" them.
Also, the HD Tow Pack adds more frontal area (55 SF to 60 SF).
The below is helpful:
https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_Expedition_Oct15.pdf
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Lou Hamilton
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1553 on mine.
2019 Limited Stealth w/ HD Tow (303a package), convenience package, captain’s chairs, 22” wheels
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wakeboarder
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2019 Max XLT 2wd, sunroof, hd tow, 2nd row bench, 20 inch rims, FA 3300, RA 4380, 1613 payload
flying68
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Already taken care of. Here is what I have based on this thread:
Year Trim Length 4wd FX4 HDTow PanoSR Rim Sits Payload GVWR FGAWR RGAWR User
2019 Limited 123 Yes No Yes Yes 22 7 1553 7450 3375 4380 Lou Hamilton
2020 Limited 123 Yes No Yes Yes 22 8 1482 7450 3375 4380 Eric Mowrer
2019 Limited 132 Yes No Yes Yes 22 7 1647 7720 3550 4380 byathread
2019 Limited 132 Yes No Yes Yes 22 8 1629 7720 3550 4380 BLUWAGN
2019 Limited 132 Yes No No Yes 22 _ 1619 7720 3550 4380 GB19XLT
2019 Platinum 123 Yes No Yes Yes 22 7 1487 7450 3375 4380 Flying68
2020 Platinum 123 Yes No Yes ___ 22 7 1537 7450 3375 4380 Matthew Marlowe
2018 Platinum 132 Yes No Yes Yes 22 7 1585 7720 3550 4380 Saltwater Soul
2019 XLT 132 No No Yes Yes 20 8 1613 7400 3300 4380 wakeboarder
2018 XLT 132 Yes Yes Yes Yes 18 8 1671 7720 3550 4380 shane_th_ee
2019 XLT 132 Yes No Yes No 20 8 1767 7720 3550 4380 Joey Smith
2019 XLT 132 Yes No No Yes 18 8 1676 7720 3550 4380 DWs-TTEB
2020 XLT 132 Yes Yes Yes No 18 7 1905 7720 3550 4380 sanman28
Please look this over and fill in any missing information or correct the information that is there. We don't nearly have a big enough sample size to make any definitive conclusion on what contributes what.
Expedition Dave
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I do have them.
Lou Hamilton
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Not sure if CCD adds weight, but my Limited has CCD. Are the limited that have the higher payload have CCD is standard suspension?
Just a thought because mine seems to be closer to the Platinum trims. Basically mine is a platinum minus the massage seats and 25 extra HP.
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flying68
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Possible, we just don't have enough data yet to determine what adds/subtracts significant vehicle weight. There are probably enough production variances that we would have to sample a couple hundred to know.
byathread
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A rule seems to be 22 rim = CCD unless Canada bound...I think. I rented a limited max up in Mississauga that had 20" rim with the wire/CCD. That was my first rental and had me believing all limited trim got the CCD, but, must be a Canada build difference. Wish I took photos of the 3 rental stickers to contribute to this dataset!
123s only ones to have the lower front GAWR from what I see.
That 1905 payload is amazing. I think a similar spec non fx4 7 seater without sunroof might have a little more ~ 50 lbs or so... Keep those door stickers coming!
Also, saw that someone blacked out their VIN. I didn't think to, but am genuinely curious as to why? I see folks do it on licence plates, too... Any ideas?
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wakeboarder
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I blacked it because it is commonly done with license plates on google maps, etc. I guess I'm just a little cautious online.
The lightest front GAWR is mine which is the only 2wd on the list. I would expect the 2wd 123 wb's to be even less.
Has anybody actually completely unloaded their vehicle, filled it with fuel and taken it to the scales to check the accuracy of the sticker?
Jason Bell
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I don’t think anyone posted this number yet . . . 2019 MAX XL (1 trim below XLT) 4x4 with tow package. No sunroof or other options. I’ve spent the last two weeks moving locally with a 20 foot enclosed trailer. No idea of the total weight, but very impressed with the way this vehicle tows. Bruce Baelz
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Have you installed your brake controller yet?? Reason I ask is, I have a CURT wireless that I'm looking to sell that I only used once (bought a trailer with EOH and needed it, 2 weeks later purchased a new truck that had a controller already). Plug and play, no wiring required and it worked great. Let me know, I spent $180.00 on it.
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