Which Tune? MPT vs Livernois vs 5 Star vs Unleashed

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Customer service is huge, glad you found someone willing to work with you.
Absolutely on the customer service being huge. Good customer service is becoming a thing of the past more and more. To me there is nothing worse then calling a company and wasting time with recorded prompts and voicemails and not being able to talk to a human, or a human that speaks English legibly. When you do finally speak to a human and they act rude and don’t really value your business, then I’m done with them. I’m not kissing anyone’s ass to give them my $$$$.
 

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It’s true though I just called them. Max you can run on a gen 1 6 speed is only e30. They were gonna send me a straight e85 tune and were completely ok with that. The fuel system on my gen 1 is even worse than that if a gen 2!! They just don’t care!
 

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It’s true though I just called them. Max you can run on a gen 1 6 speed is only e30. They were gonna send me a straight e85 tune and were completely ok with that. The fuel system on my gen 1 is even worse than that if a gen 2!! They just don’t care!

Man you REALLY don't get it.

There is a BIG difference in running E85 turned back and running it full tilt.

Let's take the 2020 for example. It has the 3.5 HO in tank Pump, because the Navi has the 3.5 HO Motor, and Ford didn't want a different pump between the versions of the same platform. I can run E50 at Full tilt. That will be the most power tune with all stock components. I can also run E85 turned back(Less Demand=Less Boost). It will get more power than a 93 tune, less power than a E50 tune, but no mixing. If I want to run E85 at full tilt, I would need to upgrade the Port Fuel injectors or the HPFP.
 

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Fuel system components are not meant to be exposed to 85% ethanol. The diaphragms and rubber components will become dried out more quickly and will be at risk for quicker failure. Ethanol can quickly gunk up the fuel lines and injectors over time and then you’re running into some major issues. They can turn it back all they want but the system itself and the materials it’s made from can’t support Straight e85 For long periods of time. Let it sit for 2-3 days while you’re out of town a few times and you’ll understand what I’m talking about. I understand you’re an expert at ALL THINGS EVER CREATED so take this how you will.
 

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Fuel system components are not meant to be exposed to 85% ethanol. The diaphragms and rubber components will become dried out more quickly and will be at risk for quicker failure. Ethanol can quickly gunk up the fuel lines and injectors over time and then you’re running into some major issues. They can turn it back all they want but the system itself and the materials it’s made from can’t support Straight e85 For long periods of time. Let it sit for 2-3 days while you’re out of town a few times and you’ll understand what I’m talking about. I understand you’re an expert at ALL THINGS EVER CREATED so take this how you will.

HAHAHAHA That right there is funny. I do have a degree in Chemistry, do you?

No modern fuel system is going to have issues with higher levels of Ethanol. The rubber is a different formulation than it was 30 years ago. Heck some of the 5.4 powered 3rd Gens are FlexFuel certified. They are actually tuned from the factory to get more power when running E85(FlexFuel). Why would you think an even newer Expedition likes yours or mine can't handle it?

My ST routinely sits for several days, as does our Expedition depending on which vehicle we travel with or when I was working from Home most of the week. NEVER had an issue starting them. I ran E50 or above in my 16 Edge Sport for a year straight. E70 for 8 months of that.
 
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I don’t know Jake personally so I won’t comment on him, but I did spend some time chatting with Adam at ZFG. He’s a really decent guy working three jobs and tuning is just one of them. His other two are utilizing his degree in mechanical engineering creating fire suppression systems as well as being a part time firefighter. The guy is no slouch and seems to have a strong ethic. Completely the opposite of the vibe I felt from the guys at MPT. I’ve learnt in life to trust my gut and it’s served me well. At the end of the day, Adam knows what I want and is going to provide that. The guys at MPT flat out stated that they literally never do data logging on any of their customers’ trucks. I thought that was a red flag. Adam wants to data log immediately and that’s what I want him to do. Anyway, this dynamic is why I’m never on this forum. To Loki and the other helpful guys on this thread, thanks for the pointers. Truck is in my friends shop getting goodies this week. Hopefully I’ll have a more fun truck in another week or two.
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I don’t know Jake personally so I won’t comment on him, but I did spend some time chatting with Adam at ZFG. He’s a really decent guy working three jobs and tuning is just one of them. His other two are utilizing his degree in mechanical engineering creating fire suppression systems as well as being a part time firefighter. The guy is no slouch and seems to have a strong ethic. Completely the opposite of the vibe I felt from the guys at MPT. I’ve learnt in life to trust my gut and it’s served me well. At the end of the day, Adam knows what I want and is going to provide that. The guys at MPT flat our stated that they literally never do data logging on any of their customers’ trucks. I thought that was a red flag. Adam wants to data love immediately and that’s what I want him to do. Anyway, this dynamic is why I’m never on this forum. To Loki and the other helpful guys on this thread, thanks for the pointers. Truck is in my friends shop getting goodies this week. Hopefully I’ll have a more fun truck in another week or two.
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What rotors?
 

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I don’t know Jake personally so I won’t comment on him, but I did spend some time chatting with Adam at ZFG. He’s a really decent guy working three jobs and tuning is just one of them. His other two are utilizing his degree in mechanical engineering creating fire suppression systems as well as being a part time firefighter. The guy is no slouch and seems to have a strong ethic. Completely the opposite of the vibe I felt from the guys at MPT. I’ve learnt in life to trust my gut and it’s served me well. At the end of the day, Adam knows what I want and is going to provide that. The guys at MPT flat our stated that they literally never do data logging on any of their customers’ trucks. I thought that was a red flag. Adam wants to data love immediately and that’s what I want him to do. Anyway, this dynamic is why I’m never on this forum. To Loki and the other helpful guys on this thread, thanks for the pointers. Truck is in my friends shop getting goodies this week. Hopefully I’ll have a more fun truck in another week or two.
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Looking good.

Going to go and stop like it never has before!

Yeah, Adam is a worker. Hustles, and knows his stuff. Glad you got the same impression I do from him.

He has always been clear with me on what to expect.

The logging is important, the one and done thing just doesn't cut it for me. When we were tweaking the E50 Tune for the ST and logging all my launches we discovered momentary issues with low oil pressure. Discovered, if we slightly over filled, that issue went away. What that tells us, is a better oil pan with additional baffles could be worth it. We used what we saw, looked at other's logs and saw similar, so mine was not a fluke. We were able to inform the community, and hopefully help others pushing the platform.
 

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Truck is in my friends shop getting goodies this week. Hopefully I’ll have a more fun truck in another week or two.

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What was the motivation for the drilled rotors? I've heard anecdotes of the holes cracking and only really being useful to prevent fade from repeated high-speed stops. If you can lock the wheels, the rotors aren't limiting anything. Aren't tires a bigger factor?
 

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What was the motivation for the drilled rotors? I've heard anecdotes of the holes cracking and only really being useful to prevent fade from repeated high-speed stops. If you can lock the wheels, the rotors aren't limiting anything. Aren't tires a bigger factor?
Helps heat dissipate more efficiently especially when towing. They are actually way better than non drilled rotors. I’ve never heard of the holes cracking, but we can the the chemical engineer know it all school is on brake PFA and rotors too now
 

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Helps heat dissipate more efficiently especially when towing. They are actually way better than non drilled rotors. I’ve never heard of the holes cracking, but we can the the chemical engineer know it all school is on brake PFA and rotors too now

HaHa. Chemistry Degree, not Chemical Engineering... I have always defended you, but dude you really have a hard time with somebody who might know more than you. I have a few more years under my belt, and have done a lot of things in my 43 years on this planet. Still think of myself as young, and keep doing things and learning.

For clarity, you NEVER talked to ZFG and asked about tuning a 15-17 Expedition on E85. The only Expedition owner other than myself that has talked to Adam in the past few days is MB. I never thought of you as a liar, but it is looking that way.

I agree with you partially on the Drilled Rotors, the cracking does not happen on quality brand drilled rotors. I have seen it a few times, mostly on tracked(Road Race, Solo) cars. Most of the time when the person put really aggressive pads, and didn’t heat cycle the rotor to bed in the pad properly.

Drilled rotors do decrease surface area, and if you don’t also improve the quality of pad under cold braking they can increase stopping distance, the inverse of that is under heavy brake load after multiple stops, they will fade MUCH less. It depends on your use case. Towing when going downhill, a drilled rotor would help keep brakes cooler if you are having to use them a fair amount like SFG said.

Some companies will put less warranty on a drilled rotor than a dimpled or slotted, because it does have a slightly greater risk of cracking. Slight, especially if a quality company.

I typically do slotted or dimpled and slotted for my street vehicles, and drilled for the track cars. That is me. Don’t currently have a Track car. My Dad is still driving Spec Miata’s at 68 and they have to be OEM like solid, so no drilled for him.

Also the whole lock up the wheel thing is BS. Almost any car can lock up wheels at lower speeds. It doesn’t mean better/more aggressive/larger brakes won’t decrease stopping distance. They get you down to lockup quicker and with modern ABS allows you to stop even quicker. There is a diminishing point of return without added grip.



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HaHa. Chemistry Degree, not Chemical Engineering... I have always defended you, but dude you really have a hard time with somebody who might know more than you. I have a few more years under my belt, and have done a lot of things in my 43 years on this planet. Still think of myself as young, and keep doing things and learning.

For clarity, you NEVER talked to ZFG and asked about tuning a 15-17 Expedition on E85. The only Expedition owner other than myself that has talked to Adam in the past few days is MB. I never thought of you as a liar, but it is looking that way.

I agree with you partially on the Drilled Rotors, the cracking does not happen on quality brand drilled rotors. I have seen it a few times, mostly on tracked(Road Race, Solo) cars. Most of the time when the person put really aggressive pads, and didn’t heat cycle the rotor to bed in the pad properly.

Drilled rotors do decrease surface area, and if you don’t also improve the quality of pad under cold braking they can increase stopping distance, the inverse of that is under heavy brake load after multiple stops, they will fade MUCH less. It depends on your use case. Towing when going downhill, a drilled rotor would help keep brakes cooler if you are having to use them a fair amount like SFG said.

Some companies will put less warranty on a drilled rotor than a dimpled or slotted, because it does have a slightly greater risk of cracking. Slight, especially if a quality company.

I typically do slotted or dimpled and slotted for my street vehicles, and drilled for the track cars. That is me. Don’t currently have a Track car. My Dad is still driving Spec Miata’s at 68 and they have to be OEM like solid, so no drilled for him.

Also the whole lock up the wheel thing is BS. Almost any car can lock up wheels at lower speeds. It doesn’t mean better/more aggressive/larger brakes won’t decrease stopping distance. They get you down to lockup quicker and with modern ABS allows you to stop even quicker. There is a diminishing point of return without added grip.



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I never talked to Adam, someone else answered :****:
 

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I never talked to Adam, someone else answered :****:

HaHaHaHa!!!

Dude, put the shovel down. When in doubt I guess, double down in the lie and hope nobody calls you on it.

I am calling you on it. ZFG is currently a 1 person shop. Adam is the only one that answers his phone...




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HaHaHaHa!!!

Dude, put the shovel down. When in doubt I guess, double down in the lie and hope nobody calls you on it.

I am calling you on it. ZFG is currently a 1 person shop. Adam is the only one that answers his phone...




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Oh so now it’s a one person shop doing all those tunes and revisions. Even more of a reason not to use them. It was not Adam who answered the phone, he’s got more people that do dirty work for him in sales
 

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Oh so now it’s a one person shop doing all those tunes and revisions. Even more of a reason not to use them. It was not Adam who answered the phone, he’s got more people that do dirty work for him in sales

Nope. Again. Wrong. Only person who answers his business number is him. No Dirty work. Keep digging. Just making yourself look bad.

Yep one guy. One guy making great tunes, giving amazing customer service, and making the established shops sweat.


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Dang you got me.... alright take your ZFG tune on your 4th gen and head on back over to your side. You don’t own a 3rd gen anymore so no reason to be here. Go help out those guys on the other side
 

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Nope. Again. Wrong. Only person who answers his business number is him. No Dirty work. Keep digging. Just making yourself look bad.

Yep one guy. One guy making great tunes, giving amazing customer service, and making the established shops sweat.


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I’ll even refrain from posting on the 4th gen side if it means I don’t have to see posts made by you!
 

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I’ll even refrain from posting on the 4th gen side if it means I don’t have to see posts made by you!

HaHa...

Let's see if I understand?

I have owned 2 EB powered 3rd Gens(Like You), I was asked by the OP in his original post for my input, I gave intelligent feedback on 3 separate tuning companies, and caught you in a blatant lie to discredit one of those tuners. I even gave you 2 chances to come clean on your blatant straight up lie.

Out of that, you get to the conclusion that I should stay out of the 3rd Gen area? Sure...That makes sense...:rolleyes::banghead: I generally do not comment on 3rd Gen stuff anymore, but was asked. I will continue to post where I can provide valid good info, especially if somebody specifically asks for my input.
 

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HaHa...

Let's see if I understand?

I have owned 2 EB powered 3rd Gens(Like You), I was asked by the OP in his original post for my input, I gave intelligent feedback on 3 separate tuning companies, and caught you in a blatant lie to discredit one of those tuners. I even gave you 2 chances to come clean on your blatant straight up lie.

Out of that, you get to the conclusion that I should stay out of the 3rd Gen area? Sure...That makes sense...:rolleyes::banghead: I generally do not comment on 3rd Gen stuff anymore, but was asked. I will continue to post where I can provide valid good info, especially if somebody specifically asks for my input.
Oh yeah you didn’t know, if you don’t currently own say, a 2019, you are not allowed to post in the 4th gen forum bc ppl get offended. If you don’t own a 2017 you cannot post in the 3rd gen forum bc ppl will get offended. It’s all about what you CURRENTLY own apparently. At least that’s how I see it with a few of these special ppl on here, they don’t care if you own 17 gen 1 Ecoboost, if you currently own a gen 2, better not post in gen 1 side and vice versa
 
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