Power Difference

[Deadman]

I'll just add here that my 18 Expedition and 18 Navigator are miles apart in the power department. The Navigator absolutely rears up when you hammer it, and it just pulls and pulls. The Expedition does great too, but its got nothing on the Navigator.

The navigator is annoying tho, it downshifts on every dam hill and my expedition walks every hill in 10th gear. The navigator is tuned to shift under load I guess.

 

[albertobb]

Let’s clarify a few things...

ALL Expeditions have the same motor. The Platinum is merely tuning differences from the factory. A limited and a Platinum when aftermarket tuned have the same power potential.

The Navi is a slightly different Motor. It is the HO 3.5 2nd Gen found in the Raptor, and the F150 Limited. Different pistons, runs lower compression, with more boost. It is capable of more power with just tuning than the non-HO motor found in the Expedition.



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I don't think all expeditions have the same engine. the 5.4 v2 second generation and the 5.4 v3 third generation have differences.
the third generation has
variable valve opening and sefi, multipoint sequential injection.
With these changes, I think it is the same cylinder but technologically different, I think from 2007 to 2014 they are like this. greatly improved.
or I'm wrong.

 

[wakeboarder]

I don't think all expeditions have the same engine. the 5.4 v2 second generation and the 5.4 v3 third generation have differences.
the third generation has
variable valve opening and sefi, multipoint sequential injection.
With these changes, I think it is the same cylinder but technologically different, I think from 2007 to 2014 they are like this. greatly improved.
or I'm wrong.

I understood @LokiWolf to be referring to 4th Gen Expeditions given the context of the thread.

 

[LokiWolf]

I don't think all expeditions have the same engine. the 5.4 v2 second generation and the 5.4 v3 third generation have differences.
the third generation has
variable valve opening and sefi, multipoint sequential injection.
With these changes, I think it is the same cylinder but technologically different, I think from 2007 to 2014 they are like this. greatly improved.
or I'm wrong.

As this is the 4th Gen area...there are only 2nd Gen 3.5 Twin Turbo EcoBoosts in play. Thanks.


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[LovinPSDs]

I'll just add here that my 18 Expedition and 18 Navigator are miles apart in the power department. The Navigator absolutely rears up when you hammer it, and it just pulls and pulls. The Expedition does great too, but its got nothing on the Navigator.

The navigator is annoying tho, it downshifts on every dam hill and my expedition walks every hill in 10th gear. The navigator is tuned to shift under load I guess.

Deadman - Is your Expedition tuned?

 

[flying68]

Most of the US is 93 for Premium. There are exceptions like higher altitude areas like Colorado.

Looks like 93 isn't as available as 91, per this map, and it is heavily concentrated east of the Mississippi. Even then when you zoom in it isn't available everywhere.

https://www.zeemaps.com/mobile?group=1385950

 

[LokiWolf]

Looks like 93 isn't as available as 91, per this map, and it is heavily concentrated east of the Mississippi. Even then when you zoom in it isn't available everywhere.

https://www.zeemaps.com/mobile?group=1385950

Out of all the information in this thread...you focused on that? HaHa.

Population wise that is the majority! Especially when you factor the population centers in Cali and Vegas. Heck, A LOT of them in the west have higher than 93(Mostly Blue dots).

I have only been West of the Mississippi probably 10-15 times in my life...so that could be my bias...


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[Deadman]

Deadman - Is your Expedition tuned?

Nothings been done to either of them, so no not tuned.

 

[flying68]

Out of all the information in this thread...you focused on that? HaHa.

Population wise that is the majority! Especially when you factor the population centers in Cali and Vegas. Heck, A LOT of them in the west have higher than 93(Mostly Blue dots).

I have only been West of the Mississippi probably 10-15 times in my life...so that could be my bias...


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I looked at those Blue dots, I think those are Race Fuel dealers, not necessarily pump stations. It looks like a lot of stations, but when you really zoom in to a given area, it isn't readily available, there are 3 stations in my city listed as having 93, same chain, but have only known the 1 location to actually have 93. That is an area with 500,000+ people. I don't know if the east coast is more standard with 93 as premium, but out west it definitely isn't the case.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

I looked at those Blue dots, I think those are Race Fuel dealers, not necessarily pump stations. It looks like a lot of stations, but when you really zoom in to a given area, it isn't readily available, there are 3 stations in my city listed as having 93, same chain, but have only known the 1 location to actually have 93. That is an area with 500,000+ people. I don't know if the east coast is more standard with 93 as premium, but out west it definitely isn't the case.

I’m East Coast and in the MD, VA, DE, PA, NJ areas where I have purchased gas, 93 is standard Premium numbers.

As a matter of fact, I have only seen one station that carried 91 as Premium, but it also had 93 and it was called Super Premium. It also has 87 and 89. It was in DE, near Bear. I can’t remember what it was. It was a random gas station along one of the roads that I was driving on.


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[Deadman]

I'm in Northern Wisconsin and I can't find 93 anywhere. I only see 91 as premium almost everywhere.
I only buy premium and I'd be tickled to find 93 anywhere now.

 

[Gumby]

We can get 87, 89, 91 and 94 here. But I find 94 usually at Petro-Canada. Not sure if its offered at other major retailers.

 

[KenK]

Deadman - expand more on comparison between the XLT and Navi.
What behaviors and features you like or don't like on each.
Obviously the Navi is way more luxurious but at a price.

 

[Big_Mac]

There is also a significant difference between the exhaust systems on the Expedition and the Navigator. The expedition has a single exhaust with a traditional muffler. While the Navigator has a dual exhaust with valves in the muffler to significantly reduce backpressure during high flow situations.

 

[Deadman]

Deadman - expand more on comparison between the XLT and Navi.
What behaviors and features you like or don't like on each.
Obviously the Navi is way more luxurious but at a price.

I have a limited 302A, so my Expedition is almost a Platinum.

I prefer the Expeditions simplicity, and I hate the computer thing that's thrown on the dash in the Lincoln. The Navi has seriously more grunt and pull, but it down shifts all the time and I hate that. My expo stays in 10th all the time on the highway.
The navi is loud as hell, its annoying. It literally wakes everyone when my wife starts it in the garage. Its got dual exhaust and must have a free flowing muffler, because it absolutely roars. I can be sitting in my kitchen with all the windows shut and my wife can slowly pull out of driveway and I can hear it shifting gears just by the exhaust racket. pretty stupid for a luxury vehicle.
I'M partial to my expo, because I HATE electronics and stuff and that Navi is full of that trash. Its a great vehicle, but I'm just not into the technology crap, but my wife is and she loves it, so its perfect.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

I have a limited 302A, so my Expedition is almost a Platinum.

I prefer the Expeditions simplicity, and I hate the computer thing that's thrown on the dash in the Lincoln. The Navi has seriously more grunt and pull, but it down shifts all the time and I hate that. My expo stays in 10th all the time on the highway.
The navi is loud as hell, its annoying. It literally wakes everyone when my wife starts it in the garage. Its got dual exhaust and must have a free flowing muffler, because it absolutely roars. I can be sitting in my kitchen with all the windows shut and my wife can slowly pull out of driveway and I can hear it shifting gears just by the exhaust racket. pretty stupid for a luxury vehicle.
I'M partial to my expo, because I HATE electronics and stuff and that Navi is full of that trash. Its a great vehicle, but I'm just not into the technology crap, but my wife is and she loves it, so its perfect.

Wonder if the Navi exhaust is an easy like-for-like swap out. If the mounts are already installed and if the Expy has anything installed in the way of where the Navi exhaust would mount.

Any chance you can look under each and tell if there are major configuration differences from where each exhaust mounts?

Asking for a friend... LOL!


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[Deadman]

Wonder if the Navi exhaust is an easy like-for-like swap out. If the mounts are already installed and if the Expy has anything installed in the way of where the Navi exhaust would mount.

Any chance you can look under each and tell if there are major configuration differences from where each exhaust mounts?

Asking for a friend... LOL!


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They are nothing alike. The navigator has full dual set up into a single muffler. You would need a bunch of parts and they would be spendy from Ford.

 

[lam396]

I was in a navi rental for 2 months over the summer and I was excited to test out the higher hp compared to my stock xlt. My xlt has the 3.71 rear end and the navi i assume had the 3.31. I was actually a bit underwhelmed with the navi and I'm attributing that to the gear ratio. Would love to feel the 450 with a decent gear set!

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[Deadman]

I was in a navi rental for 2 months over the summer and I was excited to test out the higher hp compared to my stock xlt. My xlt has the 3.71 rear end and the navi i assume had the 3.31. I was actually a bit underwhelmed with the navi and I'm attributing that to the gear ratio. Would love to feel the 450 with a decent gear set!

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Navigator all got 3.73. Its not a violent power. Mine surprises me because its so smooth and all of a sudden the speedometer is doing speeds my Expedition couldn't dream of in that distance.
If I floor this navigator L at like 15-20 mph it lifts the nose way up on the air from the torque, my expedition does not do that. I'm not saying its a race car, but mine is nasty powerful compared to my Expedition. At first I didn't notice it, but the more I passed cars at 50-60 mph, it was just like Wow! It likes more rpm, so when you really get on it is when it shines!

 

[Big_Mac]

Wonder if the Navi exhaust is an easy like-for-like swap out. If the mounts are already installed and if the Expy has anything installed in the way of where the Navi exhaust would mount.

Any chance you can look under each and tell if there are major configuration differences from where each exhaust mounts?

Asking for a friend... LOL!


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The exhaust hangers are the same parts in the same locations between the Expy and the Navi. So, it is doable, but your friend would have to replace everything behind the manifolds (including the cats).