wakeboarder
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Has anybody had just the upgraded front bar without doing the rear? I am mainly looking to improve the lean when cornering.
Rear Sway bar?
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Alwaysthinkin
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@Fasttimes is one person that has said they have done front only at this time.
I'm sure there are others but it seems most start with rear bar while waiting for backordered front bar.
I'm sure there are others but it seems most start with rear bar while waiting for backordered front bar.
Deadman
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You can try the front first, but honestly the rear suspension of these things is a complete joke and thats why I started with the rear sway bar to try and at least make it tolerable. It did!
I have a feeling if you tightened up the front, the rear might 'feel" even worse and handles like crap. Just a guess tho,
Well. I finally got my front sway bar installed, and….
Dayum!
I am pissed.
Pissed that I didn’t order this a year ago.
The Hellwig rear sway bar, Moog end links and ReadyLift were delivered a month ago, and I installed those right away. Since I did the rear sway bar and lift at the same time, the driving dynamics changed a good bit and I was unsure what was a result of the shock spacers, and what was a result of the stiffer rear sway bar and links.
I knew I had much better lateral stability and feel in the back, but also noticed more bumps translated through the CCD suspension.
So the next week I had Ford perform an alignment on all four corners since I had to bust loose pretty much every suspension bolt under it to get the ReadyLift in. While they had it, I had them run a program that allows the CCD system to “learn” it’s new ride height.
It drove MUCH better after this. It basically returned the CCD feel back to how it felt stock, but with far superior lean angles and rear end stability due to the new sway bar and links in the back.
Flash forward a few weeks when my front sway bar arrives in a mangled box.
Installed it a couple nights ago, and the change is INCREDIBLE.
CCD is still smooth and feels practically unchanged, only 2-3 inches higher than I used to be.
Every turn brings a smile to face. Almost zero lean. Just smooth immediate response. Crisp and agile, almost BMW-like.
It does not make your ride harsh.
Ford should be ashamed of themselves for the piece of crap I pulled off and threw away. The new Hellwig is twice as heavy and 50% larger in cross-section.
Unless you enjoy wobbling left-right for ten minutes after going over every diagonal or one-ended bump, you need to do replace your sway bars, ASAP!.
When I drop from my driveway onto the street at an angle, my truck rocks left-right one time and that’s it. Solid. No swaying back and forth 6 times.
I had grown so tired of the wallowing pig that I was considering starting over with something else.
Does it ride firmer? Yes. But not in a bad way. I think it actually is smoother now over large bumps and very poor roads, because the CCD is more capable of measuring and responding to each corner’s inputs since the ride and lean angles are so much more controlled. The CCD doesn’t have to work as hard, and subsequently can provide a more effective response to challenging roads.
The tiny bumps and pavement joints are felt more. There is no question. You will pretty much lose that “disconnected, floating on a cloud” feeling on all but the smoothest roads.
But the performance gains in every other aspect of driving is overwhelming. No more porpoising 4 times after a speed bump. No more wobbling left /right in uncontrolled manner. Remember how the lane correction could suddenly occur on the apex of a curve from the outside stripe? The sudden steering input would put a crazy outside lean on the car.. startling everyone in the car.. No more.
I am VERY interested to see how the ride is changed when I take off the factory 22’s and put on the 18’s with all terrain tires. (They are still on order)
Just go do this. You will not regret it. It was $688 for sway bar and end links. That is the best 700 bucks I have spent in a long time.
Dayum!
I am pissed.
Pissed that I didn’t order this a year ago.
The Hellwig rear sway bar, Moog end links and ReadyLift were delivered a month ago, and I installed those right away. Since I did the rear sway bar and lift at the same time, the driving dynamics changed a good bit and I was unsure what was a result of the shock spacers, and what was a result of the stiffer rear sway bar and links.
I knew I had much better lateral stability and feel in the back, but also noticed more bumps translated through the CCD suspension.
So the next week I had Ford perform an alignment on all four corners since I had to bust loose pretty much every suspension bolt under it to get the ReadyLift in. While they had it, I had them run a program that allows the CCD system to “learn” it’s new ride height.
It drove MUCH better after this. It basically returned the CCD feel back to how it felt stock, but with far superior lean angles and rear end stability due to the new sway bar and links in the back.
Flash forward a few weeks when my front sway bar arrives in a mangled box.
Installed it a couple nights ago, and the change is INCREDIBLE.
CCD is still smooth and feels practically unchanged, only 2-3 inches higher than I used to be.
Every turn brings a smile to face. Almost zero lean. Just smooth immediate response. Crisp and agile, almost BMW-like.
It does not make your ride harsh.
Ford should be ashamed of themselves for the piece of crap I pulled off and threw away. The new Hellwig is twice as heavy and 50% larger in cross-section.
Unless you enjoy wobbling left-right for ten minutes after going over every diagonal or one-ended bump, you need to do replace your sway bars, ASAP!.
When I drop from my driveway onto the street at an angle, my truck rocks left-right one time and that’s it. Solid. No swaying back and forth 6 times.
I had grown so tired of the wallowing pig that I was considering starting over with something else.
Does it ride firmer? Yes. But not in a bad way. I think it actually is smoother now over large bumps and very poor roads, because the CCD is more capable of measuring and responding to each corner’s inputs since the ride and lean angles are so much more controlled. The CCD doesn’t have to work as hard, and subsequently can provide a more effective response to challenging roads.
The tiny bumps and pavement joints are felt more. There is no question. You will pretty much lose that “disconnected, floating on a cloud” feeling on all but the smoothest roads.
But the performance gains in every other aspect of driving is overwhelming. No more porpoising 4 times after a speed bump. No more wobbling left /right in uncontrolled manner. Remember how the lane correction could suddenly occur on the apex of a curve from the outside stripe? The sudden steering input would put a crazy outside lean on the car.. startling everyone in the car.. No more.
I am VERY interested to see how the ride is changed when I take off the factory 22’s and put on the 18’s with all terrain tires. (They are still on order)
Just go do this. You will not regret it. It was $688 for sway bar and end links. That is the best 700 bucks I have spent in a long time.
Can you post what the service code was to get the CCD’s reset? Or what they put on your invoice. I would like to try it. Ready Lifts CCD kit comes with drop brackets for the front, but does nothing for the rear. I did mine a year + before the kit came out and did the longer/shorter links. Zero change in my opinion. Ready Lift did send me the front brackets, but I haven’t installed them. I need the front sway bar, but I’ll probably have a 2022 before it shows up or my LGE-CTS bumper.
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I will look on the invoice, to see there is a code when I get out of work. I found out about it by reading the factory service manual. (1500 page PDF document)
The last step in every section that replaces suspension components reads:
“If equipped with dynamic suspension, calibrate the suspension height. Connect the scan tool and carry out the Ride Height Calibration routine. Follow the scan tool directions.”
The last step in every section that replaces suspension components reads:
“If equipped with dynamic suspension, calibrate the suspension height. Connect the scan tool and carry out the Ride Height Calibration routine. Follow the scan tool directions.”
techdude99
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Good to know. I'll be investing in a FSM today.
Awesome, that’s probably all I need. Next time I’m in for service I will have them do it.
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Deadman
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After the sway bars, its hard to believe how absolutely disgusting these things drive stock. I was so mad at my sway boat that I had huge buyers remorse. Luckily I found these sway bars and it corrected 90% of this garbage.
It blows my mind following these expeditions down the highway and watching them wobble like a drunk that's trying to walk home after 2 cases of beer. I ordered 2 for my wifes Navigator, because that thing almost makes me Puke riding in it with its factory suspension, same BS, sway sway sway, lean, lean, lean, bobble head..... ARGHHHHH
I'm so glad you agree with me on this, because many people think they ride ok stock, but I hated the sloppiness.
techdude99
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It's definitely sloppy except in Sport mode with the CCD. Ford made a huge mistake removing user customization from each drive mode.
I drove a non-CCD and thought it handled better overall. That said, the swaybars fix most of the terrible Ford CCD software settings. I'm glad I found this thread.
