2018 HELP!!! COLD START NOISE

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Purchased in August of 2018. Currently have 62000 miles. My problems started with my coolant kept going low. Had the hoses replaced. Still kept losing coolant. Was told I need to replace the water pump. Haven't done it yet, but now I'm hearing a clanking noise at cold start. (Link attached) Is this associated with the water pump or a whole other problem? Help!
 

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Purchased in August of 2018. Currently have 62000 miles. My problems started with my coolant kept going low. Had the hoses replaced. Still kept losing coolant. Was told I need to replace the water pump. Haven't done it yet, but now I'm hearing a clanking noise at cold start. (Link attached) Is this associated with the water pump or a whole other problem? Help!
The water pump is pretty easy to replace, but I would still do it ASAP before causing other major issues.

The most important part,, you should’ve received a letter from Ford around September/October of last year. This letter instructed the owners to go to the dealership to perform a mandatory software update by Feb 2022. If you have done this software update then you should be covered 100% by Ford to perform the cam phaser repair until 70,000 miles. This is a very expensive repair if paid out of pocket. I assume around $3,000.
 

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The water pump does have to be removed as well as a lot of the coolant parts to do the cam phasers. Take it in to the dealer and see if you pay a slight amount that they could do the pump or coolant part that’s leaking while doing the phaser repair. If it’s the pump, a good dealer would just have you pay for the diagnosis of the leak and pump while doing the phasers.
 

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I've had lots of engine work on my 2018 plati. Rear main seal, front engine cover, water pump, cam phasers (3 times and going in again next week) leaking coolant lines to the tranny...gets a bit much after a while.
 

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One other point, might be good to do the thermostat as well. There not a very robust part on these engines and worth doing it if in there for the cam phasers and anything that’s leaking. Seems the thermostats only last about 60k and start to bind.
 
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The water pump is pretty easy to replace, but I would still do it ASAP before causing other major issues.

The most important part,, you should’ve received a letter from Ford around September/October of last year. This letter instructed the owners to go to the dealership to perform a mandatory software update by Feb 2022. If you have done this software update then you should be covered 100% by Ford to perform the cam phaser repair until 70,000 miles. This is a very expensive repair if paid out of pocket. I assume around $3,000.
I don't believe I had that done. I don't remember being notified. I do, however, take it in for all my maintenence before it's due so hopefully they caught that. So, just to clarify, you believe the cam phaser is what's causing the cold start noise?
 

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I had this on my 2019 Plat. Dealer fixed under the recall for the cam phaser. As stated, you need to do the software update (which did nothing) 1st. Then Ford will pay for the replacement of the phaser. I had 60k going into the repair. The repair has held so far.
 
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Update!!! I just spoke with the Ford dealership and they let me know they did do the software update in October. And it is covered as a one time fix for the cam phaser. So I'm waiting to see how much the cost would actually be to replace it, since they updated the software and that's what it covered only.
 

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Update!!! I just spoke with the Ford dealership and they let me know they did do the software update in October. And it is covered as a one time fix for the cam phaser. So I'm waiting to see how much the cost would actually be to replace it, since they updated the software and that's what it covered only.
Here is the info on it. It should be 100% covered before 69,999 miles since the software update was completed.
 

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Thank you! I spoke with the dealership this morning and told them the software update does not take place of the cam phaser replacement and it is still covered to replace it. They let me know I'll have to pay for it to go through diagnostics and "then IF that's even what is the problem" it's on back order and can't tell me when it'll be available.
 

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Thank you! I spoke with the dealership this morning and told them the software update does not take place of the cam phaser replacement and it is still covered to replace it. They let me know I'll have to pay for it to go through diagnostics and "then IF that's even what is the problem" it's on back order and can't tell me when it'll be available.
First off, there is no IF.

I am all too familiar with that sound. One (or more—there are four of them) of your VCT gears (commonly called “cam phasers”) has a broken pin. Point blank. End of discussion. It’s an internal pin that is supposed to briefly lock the two halves of the VCT gear together during cold starts until oil pressure is built up sufficiently.
When the pin breaks, the two halves of the VCT slap back and forth, creating that knocking sound, for a couple seconds, until oil pressure in the top of the engine builds up to normal pressure.

Secondly, the ONLY way to fix this is for them to replace the broken part. In other words they have to pull the front cover off the engine and replace your cam gears. This is what folks commonly call the “cam phaser replacement” job.

The PCM re-programming “fix” is just a bandaid that Ford attempted to prevent having to do more costly cam phaser replacements. It may help PREVENT or MINIMIZE abnormal wear on those pins inside the VCT gears. But once the engine sounds like yours, the damage is done. The pin is broken and the only way to make that noise go away is to replace the VCT gear.

Do not let them talk you off of this!
Once they realize you are armed with enough knowledge to call BS, they will capitulate.

And after they have performed the cam phaser job, my recommendation unfortunately is to sell it. There is a strong possibility that the oil flow problem at the top/front of your engine is going to cause the same problem in another 20,000 -30,000 miles. Even with their PCM reprogramming bandaid.
 
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I too have a 2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost. My truck is in the shop for the third prolonged period (sitting at JUST under 60k miles). I've have the cam phasers repaired twice. Currently, I'm told the "valve cover is leaking" and I need a high pressure gasket, high pressure fuel pump o-ring, and a manifold gasket... all covered under warranty. Fortunately, my dealer put me in a loaner for all 3 repairs, of which I'm on day 42. (BTW, I'm in a brand new Bronco Sport and I believe it's a POS... don't recommend it.)

I'm also looking to trade in the truck in the pretty immediate future.
 
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Thank you all for all this info! Today is finally the day I've been waiting for a week now. I am dropping it off tonight so they can run diagnostics on it in the morning. I'm praying they agree that this is the problem and that they can get the parts quickly. The way they made it seem is that I don't know what I'm talking about and that the parts are so far back on back order that I may be stuck for months and months. I'm trying to trade it in, but don't think that's possible until this is fixed.
 

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Thank you all for all this info! Today is finally the day I've been waiting for a week now. I am dropping it off tonight so they can run diagnostics on it in the morning. I'm praying they agree that this is the problem and that they can get the parts quickly. The way they made it seem is that I don't know what I'm talking about and that the parts are so far back on back order that I may be stuck for months and months. I'm trying to trade it in, but don't think that's possible until this is fixed.
I have been waiting on phaser parts going into week 3 now....
 

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Glad I found this & thanks to @AJ82 for the PDF.
Just called my salesman & am having them check our 2018 that we just bought for these CSPs.
We just bought on Monday & it's at the dealer now for some finish work that wasn't done pre-dellivery.
 

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Glad I found this & thanks to @AJ82 for the PDF.
Just called my salesman & am having them check our 2018 that we just bought for these CSPs.
We just bought on Monday & it's at the dealer now for some finish work that wasn't done pre-dellivery.
Update: They did the reflash & no improvement. They're going to order the CP parts & schedule a time to bring it back in for R&R.
Upside, I guess they hadn't run it through the shop prior to putting it on the lot, so they're replacing shocks, brakes, wipers, air & cabin filters. Should pick it back up today & I can get out of the stripped, droning purple ashtray they gave me for a loaner.
 

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i had the software update and it was quiet for a month, now it rattles, i am in line for a CP replacement
 

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FINALLY got my ride back this evening! Statement of work below. I got 4 of the newly designed cam phasers. The technician was amazing (Got the work done in 2 days)! He said he has never seen an EXP jump timing (after installing a new set) due to the phasers falling. Also, he said he has seen F150s/Expeditions come back in for cam phaser replacements after installing the newly designed ones. Prime those motors & build the oil pressure before starting these rigs, Ladies & Gents! I wonder if my 5-Star tune had anything to do with this. At the time of failure, I was running the 94-octane Performance tune. I paid nothing out of pocket. I had just put in a new battery in April 2022 & Ford Service said it was dead (after it sat on their lot for 5 wks). They replaced it free of charge. I called at lunchtime today to ask the tech to put in a new water pump, I was there an hour earlier and saw the engine torn down & later I thought, hey while he is there I'll pay for a new water pump, but he had already put it all back together! I reloaded my 5-Star 93-octane performance tune when I got home and took it for a drive. So far so good! SUPER happy to have my EXPY back!!

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