Inlet/Outlet Hose Replacement

[dwinchell92]

Has anyone ever changed their own Inlet/outlet hoses for a 2018 ford expedition limited V6 3.5L
Any tips.. advice… where did you buy your parts.
Ford dealer quoted 1,015$ is that fair?
please help!!!

 

[Hellwig]

sounds a fair dealership price to me, but why don't go to a reputable third-party workshop with genuine Ford parts? It looks your vehicle is out of warranty coverage. You can get parts from dealership part department.

 

[dwinchell92]

So I can buy the parts from the dealership without having them repair it? Sorry, I know these are silly questions. I’ve just never had to deal with this. I can find somebody else to do it?

 

[GixxerJasen]

Yes, I had mine repaired at a third party shop with Ford parts. Bear in mind, it's still a lot of labor, though your 3rd party shop might have a lower labor rate than the dealership, it's still likely to not be cheap, there's a lot of work involved in replacing them.

I will say though, usually if you have them diagnose the problem and then fix it, the diagnosis is free. If you decide to not have them fix it and take your vehicle somewhere else, you'll usually have to pay for that diag time. Could be cheaper in the long run to just have the dealership do it than pay two shops when it's all said and done.

 

[Alwaysthinkin]

So I can buy the parts from the dealership without having them repair it? Sorry, I know these are silly questions. I’ve just never had to deal with this. I can find somebody else to do it?

I would suggest you talk with friends, people at work and family members about who works on their vehicles. Then call a few of those places and talk with the Manager/Owner. If any of those shops you speak with take the time to explain things to your satisfaction then check them out on line and see what others have to say about the shop. Of course you could also start out looking online. We moved from Colorado to Georgia and I found an auto repair shop within five miles of where we live with high ratings doing just that.

FYI, Dealerships are typically going to charge you more for less. Yes, you can buy parts from the dealership and have someone else install those parts. Usually auto repair shops can handle finding the parts also. Good luck!

 

[bb37]

Bear in mind, it's still a lot of labor, though your 3rd party shop might have a lower labor rate than the dealership, it's still likely to not be cheap, there's a lot of work involved in replacing them.

The techs at a dealer may have actually done the job before and are familiar with the process. If nothing else, the dealer techs will be familiar with the hose fittings Ford uses. An independent shop may be flying blind.

I think I'd ask the independent shop if they've ever replaced heater hoses on a 4th Gen Expedition. If they say "no", I'd probably look for another shop. If they say "heck, they're just heater hoses", I'd definitely look for another shop.

 

[Dice Roll]

You can go on Fords website and buy the parts online. I found the taillight was several hundred cheaper at another local dealer than the one by my house. You can change the dealer it is giving the price quote for.

 

[BigOleFordFan]

3rd party shop's labor rates will almost always be way lower than the stealerships, however, if you go this route, a few things to be aware of:

A) Call the shop(s) first to be certain they are ok with you supplying the parts. Some places are, some are not...And most of them will tell you right up front that they obviously won't offer any warranty on the parts, just the work/labor. But if you buy OEM parts that should not be an issue...

B) Make 1000% certain that you absolutely have the correct hoses & all the clamps/fittings ect.... or else you may see the dreaded "Misc shop supplies" charge on your bill..which will probably be there to compensate for them not being able to mark-up the parts, and be sure to ask for an explanation of what those supplies were..

C) They may raise their labor rates a little from a job where they source the parts, again to make up for the lack of mark-up on the parts you provided. Getting a detailed, written estimate will usually make it clear what the rate is going to be from the start.

D) Be sure to tell them that you want the old parts returned to you (and if there is a checkbox is on the work order, put a check mark next to it) as some shady places will just remove & then replace the old parts to make it look like they did the work and installed new ones when in fact they just did a switcheroo on you...

I have a trusted shop near me that I have been dealing with for almost 20 years, and they are happy as loonies when I bring the parts, as it saves them time & effort and allows them to finish the job faster, which in turn allows them to do more work each day.... a win-win in my book....

 

[Russ16]

My dealer quoted me $1100, so I bought ford parts through rock auto for about $150 total, then did the change myself. Took about 2 hours. Not a hard repair to do, just watch some YouTube video’s.

 

[dwinchell92]

sounds a fair dealership price to me, but why don't go to a reputable third-party workshop with genuine Ford parts? It looks your vehicle is out of warranty coverage. You can get parts from dealership part department.

The guy I went to that told me about the leak to begin with said he called three different places and could not find the hoses that he thought there might be a recall or something so that’s why I took it to a dealership

 

[GixxerJasen]

The guy I went to that told me about the leak to begin with said he called three different places and could not find the hoses that he thought there might be a recall or something so that’s why I took it to a dealership

Should have been easy enough to look up the recall online. Also, just for reference, check the user "HazBeen" on here. Pretty much every single thing they post is either a TSB, Recall, Special Message, or any other announcement that comes about quality, and they post it quick usually. Lots of good info here.

Here's all of HazBeen's posts in this forum:

HazBeen

www.expeditionforum.com

 

[Yupster Dog]

Should have been easy enough to look up the recall online. Also, just for reference, check the user "HazBeen" on here. Pretty much every single thing they post is either a TSB, Recall, Special Message, or any other announcement that comes about quality, and they post it quick usually. Lots of good info here.

Here's all of HazBeen's posts in this forum:

HazBeen

www.expeditionforum.com

Just want to take this chance to thank @HazBeen for posting those as they come out.
Not only do they post it, but also post it in threads about the reason of the notice.
Top notch stuff.
Thank you.

 

[mrbiscuit]

The guy I went to that told me about the leak to begin with said he called three different places and could not find the hoses that he thought there might be a recall or something so that’s why I took it to a dealership

I don't believe there was a recall - I am replacing these on an '18 Expedition currently and believe they made a revision to the part.

I went through FordParts.com and ordered the outlet (part KH1188) and inlet (part KH914) hoses; using those part numbers. However when my orders shipped (I'd ordered them individually), the order then said 'This part has been superseded and replaced with Part #:JL1Z18472B & #:JL1Z18472C. There is no change in your price.'.

You should be able to punch in those KH914, or KH1188 numbers and get the correct parts - which end up being the JL1Z... numbers. Only one of the hoses on this vehicle is leaking, but I ended up ordering the second one to just replace them both at the same time.

 

[Deadman]

Rock Auto sold me the parts for like $150 or something and my neighbor put them on for $200

 

[mrbiscuit]

@dwinchell92 here's the video I watched for the replacement process, plan on doing it this Sunday.

2019 Ford Expedition Heater Core Hose Replacement | $2600 dealer quote - did it myself under $200

Parts used: Rock Auto part numbers: KH1188 & KH914 - Ford Part numbers: JL1Z 18472 B & JL1Z 18472 C - 2 gallons of Anti Freeze.

youtu.be

 

[5280tunage]

Thanks @mrbiscuit for posting the video, not sure if I was the only one on here wondering what inlet/outlet meant. I was steering more towards the turbo inlet/outlet pipes. can't believe the guy in that video said that was a $2600 job, and that these hoses are failing all the way down to 30k miles. JUNK

Feels very much like the engineers designing these things are like terrible plumbers, they check for a leak for about 5 minutes and then call it good, only to find it gushing an hour later.

 

[VBreithaupt]

I was quoted $700 to replace it at dealership that would not cover it under extended warrenty( they said it is a hose but they are all failing at the y connection. Then to rub salt in the wound they charged me $175 to diagnosis the problem, I pointed out to them! I refused to replace with OEM when its the same plastic y connection. I found these direct replacements for JL1Z18472C JL1Z18472B. they have the older clip style but have steel junctions so I don't have to worry about them failing again. The job took about 2 1/2 hours. There are several youtubes on doing the job. This one I found the most helpful. https://youtu.be/QkuDW-TFMVk?si=Dmsth-IkQH0PAtZn. The new hoses shape and fit perfect. They have the heat wrap on them butnthe don't come with the Christmas tree zip tie that snaps into the bracket but you can run regular ones around the hose and tie into bracket just as effectively. For $200 I replaced both and don't have to worry about them again. I found a long pick to be helpful for releasing clips and smaller hands also can be helpful reaching back to firewall. Put totally due able for most wrenchers.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK8ZYDGG?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DK8XLPRT?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

 

[bb37]

The engineers designing these things are probably very good at what they do. However, the accountants probably badgered them to reduce the cost (hence the plastic Y) and the production people probably badgered them to reduce the installation time (hence the pre-made assembly of 3 hoses with a Y and the push-in fittings).

The assembly is listed as a "hose" which moves it out of warranty coverage in spite of the failures happening at the non-hose plastic Y. In a more perfect world, Ford would have to pay warranty claims which might trigger a redesign if those costs wipe out the cost saving from using a plastic Y and push-on fittings.

Unfortunately, that's the way the world works. Hard to put a value on customer satisfaction.

 

[GixxerJasen]

Curious, for those saying it's super easy, does that include the hoses to the rear heater? We established early on that those were difficult to replace, but was that incorrect and it's easier than previously indicated?

The engineers designing these things are probably very good at what they do. However, the accountants probably badgered them to reduce the cost (hence the plastic Y) and the production people probably badgered them to reduce the installation time (hence the pre-made assembly of 3 hoses with a Y and the push-in fittings).

This actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[VBreithaupt]

I wouldn't say its super easy, but it doesn't end with you having to reprogram anything on a computer. Not sure on any rear hoses or if these feed that area.