6 month review, 18 Navigator VS 18 Expedition.

Deadman · Jan 28, 2021

carymccarr said:
Headrests...dumb question as you guys seem to know your vehicles well but you
are aware that the headrests not only go up and down but forward and back too right?

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Absolutely. They just push my head too far forward even when they are retracted all the way. The ONLY way I can tolerate them is if I take the section below the headrest and jam that section ALL the way forward and then jam the headrest all the way back. I can survive at that, but I am not comfortable at all. No joke if this was my daily, I couldn't handle it, I'd have to get rid of it. I have a long torso, so that could be it. My wife has a short torso and the headrest is great for her. Its just something with my body size vs the seat. I'm 5'11 185lbs, so I'm not too crazy shaped, but I do have a longer torso and shorter legs. I'm sure that all plays into how I fit each seat. The adjustability of the seat is amazing, but the headrests just don't work for me at all. Again, great seats and all, just don't fit "me".

Deadman · Jan 28, 2021

Dice Roll said:
So the limiteds get the active noise cancellation too? Thought that was a platinum thing.

302A limiteds get it is what we concurred.

Deadman · Jan 28, 2021

carymccarr said:
I’m convinced my Navis noise canceling doesn’t work. I wish there was a way to turn it off and on to confirm.

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Dealer called my wife today and said they found a way to adjust the amplifier for this noise canceling system and they want the vehicle, so they can play with the amplifier settings. She's going to ask them to shut it completely off if she can.
Right now if you drive it down the highway, it reminds me of a mud truck rolling down the freeway with worn bogger tires on it. It has the nastiest hum/drone that goes up and down in volume once a second. Its literally HHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, HHHHHHHHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmm, HHHHHHHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmm. Soo annoying. Its not the tires, its not the muffler, its some artificial BS piped into the cabin.

Be glad yours is OFF, its ridiculously annoying. She had a set of shooting muffs in the armrest and on long trips she often puts them on because otherwise it gives her a migraine.

Deadman · Jan 28, 2021

carymccarr said:
Good grief that looks bigger than my navis lol

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I would think the Expo's is larger. The Navi's is wasted with some of that storage and such on it. I LOVE the second set of cup holders on the rear of the Expeditions console tho. Wifes even jealous. Works great for the kids waters and spare waters or whatever.

carymccarr · Jan 28, 2021

Deadman said:
Absolutely. They just push my head too far forward even when they are retracted all the way. The ONLY way I can tolerate them is if I take the section below the headrest and jam that section ALL the way forward and then jam the headrest all the way back. I can survive at that, but I am not comfortable at all. No joke if this was my daily, I couldn't handle it, I'd have to get rid of it. I have a long torso, so that could be it. My wife has a short torso and the headrest is great for her. Its just something with my body size vs the seat. I'm 5'11 185lbs, so I'm not too crazy shaped, but I do have a longer torso and shorter legs. I'm sure that all plays into how I fit each seat. The adjustability of the seat is amazing, but the headrests just don't work for me at all. Again, great seats and all, just don't fit "me".

Gotcha. I’m similar height/weight. I actually wish the top cushion came out further.

Deadman · Jan 29, 2021

Another notable thing is the Exhaust on the Lincoln is literally 5X as loud as the Expedition. I'm sure its the dual exhaust set up on it, but good lord its annoying. It wakes the kids up if my wife leaves early for work and the kids bedrooms are on the other end of the house. We took it to a Lincoln dealer 2 weeks ago and compared it to a brand new Lincoln and they BOTH roared like nuts. The service advisor lady said, she never paid close attention but these are the loudest vehicles she remembers. Nice for a "Luxury" Brand.......

carymccarr · Jan 29, 2021

Deadman said:
Another notable thing is the Exhaust on the Lincoln is literally 5X as loud as the Expedition. I'm sure its the dual exhaust set up on it, but good lord its annoying. It wakes the kids up if my wife leaves early for work and the kids bedrooms are on the other end of the house. We took it to a Lincoln dealer 2 weeks ago and compared it to a brand new Lincoln and they BOTH roared like nuts. The service advisor lady said, she never paid close attention but these are the loudest vehicles she remembers. Nice for a "Luxury" Brand.......

Wow. We are so not aligned lol.

One of the things I hate about the Navi is how weak and quiet the exhaust is compared to the rumble and burble of denali and esky.

I looked at the X7 before I landed on the nav and loved the exhaust.

carymccarr · Jan 29, 2021

Reconfirmed dual transfer case/ 4H/L this am on the Navi

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Mac Attack · Jan 29, 2021

Thanks @carymccarr for asking about the headrest adjustability, but I have the seats adjusted like @Deadman and it's still annoying. For longer drives I have a blue beanbag neck pillow for plane trips that I can wrap below the headrest. It cushions my neck and I figure it won't impact the headrest function in the event of a collision.

Funny you mention about the exhaust. It's only loud the first minute after startup, but I can see how that wouldn't allow you to leave the home discreetly. I think on the Raptor forum they are talking about using the quieter Lincoln center muffler to tame their exhaust noise down. Yes, it's another curious choice Lincoln engineers made for a luxury vehicle, but I'm sure it has to do with cold start emissions yet keeping a free flow design for that power... and other cost/design constraints.

carymccarr · Jan 29, 2021

Mac Attack said:
Thanks @carymccarr for asking about the headrest adjustability, but I have the seats adjusted like @Deadman and it's still annoying. For longer drives I have a blue beanbag neck pillow for plane trips that I can wrap below the headrest. It cushions my neck and I figure it won't impact the headrest function in the event of a collision.

Funny you mention about the exhaust. It's only loud the first minute after startup, but I can see how that wouldn't allow you to leave the home discreetly. I think on the Raptor forum they are talking about using the quieter Lincoln center muffler to tame their exhaust noise down. Yes, it's another curious choice Lincoln engineers made for a luxury vehicle, but I'm sure it has to do with cold start emissions yet keeping a free flow design for that power... and other cost/design constraints.

I was in my Navi this am and had to almost painfully crane my neck backwards to even touch the headrest. Must just be how we all have the seats setup differently.

The x7’s headrest seems really far forward to me by comparison.

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