2017 used or 2018 new?

[coolzzy]

I bought a 17 XLT 4x4 EL with 202a and just 33k miles for 34k. No way is an 18 worth twice what I paid unless it can sprout wings and fly into space with its new tech. I've got nav sync 3, leather, heated and cooled seats, power hatch HD tow etc and it looks like a truck. I saw plenty 18s in Yellowstone this past weekend and believe all of them were rentals. Wait 6 months and you'll be able to pick up an 18 certified pre owned when the fleet lease companies dump them just before the 36k mile warranty is up. Certified will still have a warranty and you'll save a bundle of cash even if you pay the up charge for a high end Ford 100k mile warranty.

 

[Raphy]

There is a major feature from 18 that very few other car has. The second row can tilt and slide to access 3rd row. I have 3 kids and need two car seats on the second row. We have grand parents visiting us occasionally.

It looks the 17 is old way that flip the second row. With car seat in place that it can’t be flipped any more.


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[dlcorbett]

The 2nd row tilt and slide feature is amazing. Its very helpful for a myriad of things and easier to use than the tilt amd fllip seats of the other trucks.

 

[shane_th_ee]

We ordered our 2018 Max FX4 in early January and in March my twin brother picked used 2017 SWB 4x2 Limited (Replacing his wife's ~2007 SWB 4x2 Limited). We spent over $30k more than him. Why'd we choose differently? Is there any one feature on the 2018s that's worth the $30k premium*? No. But there's a bunch of stuff that's worth a little bit more and which really would be nice to have. Add them all up and are they worth $30k? Depends on whether or not you have the $30k.

Or put another way, you can save $30k, but what do you have to give up? Locking rear differential, 2" of ground clearance, skid plates, 10speed transmission (we have a 6000lb GVWR travel trailer), 50 ft-lbs of torque, panoramic sunroof, tip and slide seats*, auto-cruise control with stop and start, transmission temperature monitor, terrain control system from the raptor, a nicer interior, a truck that doesn't already look dated (even if it doesn't look as "tough"), etc, etc.

Sure some of that can be remedied via aftermarket parts, but then you've got to source them and find time to install them (or pay even more money to have them installed) and maybe you just voided the warranty with that lift and, and, and, well, now you didn't really save the full $30k, you put yourself through a whole bunch of unnecessary hassles, and you still didn't get everything you wanted.

Additionally, we both ended up with Expeditions, but we were cross shopping very different vehicles. He was cross shopping 3rd and 4th gen Expeditions with the Armada as his dark horse candidate. I was cross shopping the Z71 Suburban**, the Yukon XL Denali and the new Discovery.

With this in mind, I strongly suspect the returning Expedition shoppers are going with the Gen 3 leftovers while the Gen 4 is poaching a bunch of people who would've otherwise bought a GLS, Disco, or Denali.

*Ok. Yes, the tip and slide seats are probably worth the $30k.
**6000lb towing capacity with the off road package? Really? And the skid plates are crap!

 

[aggiegrad05]

We ordered our 2018 Max FX4 in early January and in March my twin brother picked used 2017 SWB 4x2 Limited (Replacing his wife's ~2007 SWB 4x2 Limited). We spent over $30k more than him. Why'd we choose differently? Is there any one feature on the 2018s that's worth the $30k premium*? No. But there's a bunch of stuff that's worth a little bit more and which really would be nice to have. Add them all up and are they worth $30k? Depends on whether or not you have the $30k.

Or put another way, you can save $30k, but what do you have to give up? Locking rear differential, 2" of ground clearance, skid plates, 10speed transmission (we have a 6000lb GVWR travel trailer), 50 ft-lbs of torque, panoramic sunroof, tip and slide seats*, auto-cruise control with stop and start, transmission temperature monitor, terrain control system from the raptor, a nicer interior, a truck that doesn't already look dated (even if it doesn't look as "tough"), etc, etc.

Sure some of that can be remedied via aftermarket parts, but then you've got to source them and find time to install them (or pay even more money to have them installed) and maybe you just voided the warranty with that lift and, and, and, well, now you didn't really save the full $30k, you put yourself through a whole bunch of unnecessary hassles, and you still didn't get everything you wanted.

Additionally, we both ended up with Expeditions, but we were cross shopping very different vehicles. He was cross shopping 3rd and 4th gen Expeditions with the Armada as his dark horse candidate. I was cross shopping the Z71 Suburban**, the Yukon XL Denali and the new Discovery.

With this in mind, I strongly suspect the returning Expedition shoppers are going with the Gen 3 leftovers while the Gen 4 is poaching a bunch of people who would've otherwise bought a GLS, Disco, or Denali.

*Ok. Yes, the tip and slide seats are probably worth the $30k.
**6000lb towing capacity with the off road package? Really? And the skid plates are crap!

I will second a lot of this. I have never been interested in the Expeditions because I dislike the styling of the previous gens. From the B pillar back they just look...dumpy. I think it's the low beltline which I believe was a carry through from the Gen 1s on which they just kept the beltline from the then-current F150. So the 17s were never a consideration for me and I only bought because of the updates. So if you like the styling of the previous gen, I would think you could sacrifice a lot of the new features to save a LOT of money. But if you're at the dealer solely because of the new styling, you don't really have the option.

And the 10speed tranny, pano sunroof, tip and slide, auto-cruise that will bring you all the way to a stop and start you back up again, nicer interior, and power/torque bump are definitely worth a large premium over the outgoing model.

 

[shane_th_ee]

While we're on the subject, in my mind, the Expedition was, for the first 3 generations, the "value priced leader and a better 3rd row" in the full-size BOF SUV segment, with GM and Toyota producing the "best in class" catering to two different use cases**. For the fourth generation, Ford traded the "same product, lower price" strategy for the "better product, same price".* I was always interested in the "better product" part of the equation. It's up to you to decide if you're after the better product or if you'll be happy with the compromises required to get the "better" value.

*This is why the price jumped between '17 and '18. It's also why some of the more expensive configurations are so hard to find.
**I think this is also why there's so few older Expeditions still owned and lovingly maintained by the original owners compared to older GM products and Land Cruisers. The buy-it-for-20-years crowd is not very interested in the "value-priced-leader".

 

[shane_th_ee]

I dislike the styling of the previous gens. From the B pillar back they just look...dumpy. I think it's the low beltline...

I think it's because the Gen 3 so closely resembles the Gen 2 and because so many of the ones you see driving around are all clapped out on their 4th owner who bought it at the buy-here-pay-here lot. This is also why, a couple years after the Kia Amanti arrived in numbers, the S Type Jaguar looked so bad. Because humans are really good at pattern matching and when the man-on-the-street saw an S-type, they didn't see a close resemblance to the Mark 2, they saw a close resemblance to poorly built econo-box bought by people who couldn't afford a Chevrolet, let alone a Honda. Now that the Amantis are long gone, the S-type design is improving with age.

 

[JExpedition07]

**I think this is also why there's so few older Expeditions still owned and lovingly maintained by the original owners compared to older GM products and Land Cruisers. The buy-it-for-20-years crowd is not very interested in the "value-priced-leader".

Disagree with this big time, lots of old expys all the way back to the first production year on this forum.... as well as many out on the roads here in NY. The 2nd and 3rd generations Ford Expedition were found to be the 4th longest lasting vehicle in America by a large study featured on the today show a while back, Why? Because of the simplicity and reliability. It came in well above Tahoe, Sequoia, Durango etc..... all the extra gadgets and cylinder deactivation/ turbocharging the others used isn’t conductive to longevity. I highly doubt the 4th gen will keep this track record it will likely fall in reliability closer to GM levels. While I do agree ford chose the value price leader path they did so while creating a reliable and simple truck..... something that people like. Just look at the “dinasuar” 4Runner with its simplicity, it just had record sales last year. The statistics available show the opposite to this statement on reliability with ford coming in on top.

 

[Clemson82]

There is a major feature from 18 that very few other car has. The second row can tilt and slide to access 3rd row. I have 3 kids and need two car seats on the second row. We have grand parents visiting us occasionally.

It looks the 17 is old way that flip the second row. With car seat in place that it can’t be flipped any more.


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In our 2014, two car seats comfortably fit next to each other (one in the middle) in the 2nd row, allowing the third seat to flip up. We didn't want to have a car seat in the third row, because it's a pain taking them in and out when we need the space in the back for cargo. The 2018s are cool, but I personally feel they are overpriced at this point. Since you mention in your original post "gas cost does concern me", going with the 2017 would net you far more savings each month than any meager fuel savings you may attain in the 2018. That said, again, the 2018 are pretty cool.

 

[shane_th_ee]

lots of old expys all the way back to the first production year on this forum.... as well as many out on the roads here in NY. The 2nd and 3rd generations Ford Expedition were found to be the 4th longest lasting vehicle in America...

You and I are in complete agreement here. There's tons and tons of old Expeditions still on the road. But how many of them (by percentage) are still lovingly maintained* by their original owners and/or painstakingly cared for and restored/refurbished by 2nd/3rd/4th owners? Are there people on the forum doing this? Yes. That's largely what makes forums like these successful. But by the same token, there's a bunch of people over on the various Jaguar forums who always saw the S-type and only ever associated it with the Mark 2 and Mark 2 owners. It's just that the average person saw the S-type and associated it with the Amanti and Amanti owners...

*How many do you see on the road with the *ss end dragging because the current owner can't be bothered to fix the air suspension? I see a lot...

 

[shane_th_ee]

In our 2014, two car seats comfortably fit next to each other (one in the middle) in the 2nd row, allowing the third seat to flip up. We didn't want to have a car seat in the third row, because it's a pain taking them in and out when we need the space in the back for cargo. The 2018s are cool, but I personally feel they are overpriced at this point. Since you mention in your original post "gas cost does concern me", going with the 2017 would net you far more savings each month than any meager fuel savings you may attain in the 2018. That said, again, the 2018 are pretty cool.

Ah, but if you have 3 or more small kids, the tip and slide is invaluable. It lets us put all three car seats in the 2nd row (so we don't have to climb into the 3rd row to strap anyone in) and the 4th kid can still easily access her seat in the 3rd row.

 

[John Christopher]

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IT is great to see that the dealers are finally starting to discount the new expy. I'm not in the market yet but things are looking better for when I am.

 

[JExpedition07]

You and I are in complete agreement here. There's tons and tons of old Expeditions still on the road. But how many of them (by percentage) are still lovingly maintained* by their original owners and/or painstakingly cared for and restored/refurbished by 2nd/3rd/4th owners? Are there people on the forum doing this? Yes. That's largely what makes forums like these successful. But by the same token, there's a bunch of people over on the various Jaguar forums who always saw the S-type and only ever associated it with the Mark 2 and Mark 2 owners. It's just that the average person saw the S-type and associated it with the Amanti and Amanti owners...

*How many do you see on the road with the *ss end dragging because the current owner can't be bothered to fix the air suspension? I see a lot...

I guess it depends the owner. I maintain mine with OEM parts from Ford and if something breaks it gets fixed, it’s been and continues to be a great capable truck. I think there are careless owners in every segment.

 

[mike devlin]

IT is great to see that the dealers are finally starting to discount the new expy. I'm not in the market yet but things are looking better for when I am.

I bought mine at same pricing from Koons and drove it back to Boston as I was in DC anyways. Bought it in April. No one was discounting like that in new england.

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[slay]

Does seem like the DC area dealers advertise the most significant discounts when compared to other regions. Not sure why that is but no one in the Chicago area (that I have found at least) advertises anything close to what I see at Koons and other DC dealers.

 

[gtnator]

Does seem like the DC area dealers advertise the most significant discounts when compared to other regions. Not sure why that is but no one in the Chicago area (that I have found at least) advertises anything close to what I see at Koons and other DC dealers.

Yup, its true for GM, Toyota, Lexus, BMW, and probably others. I think DC is a big market, lots of competition.

 

[FurryFord]

I did exactly what coolzzy did, I couldn’t justify paying double just for a couple of extras.
The extra hp and torque can be had with a tune, having my 4 kids open up or drop the seat to access the 3rd row was the same as my Yukon XL,
the 10 speed compared to the 6 isn’t a deal breaker either. I can tell you all one thing, after a lifetime of Chevys and GMCs, I never knew that this Ecoboost could spank my old V8 6.0 this badly in every sense, from regular family hauling to pulling our 30 ft travel trailer and getting crazy good gas mileage! Went from 24Litres/100kms regular driving and 33Litres/100kms hauling with my 2011 Yukon XL 3/4, to 14Litres/100kms and 20Litres/100kms hauling.

 

[John Christopher]

I did exactly what coolzzy did, I couldn’t justify paying double just for a couple of extras.
The extra hp and torque can be had with a tune, having my 4 kids open up or drop the seat to access the 3rd row was the same as my Yukon XL,
the 10 speed compared to the 6 isn’t a deal breaker either. I can tell you all one thing, after a lifetime of Chevys and GMCs, I never knew that this Ecoboost could spank my old V8 6.0 this badly in every sense, from regular family hauling to pulling our 30 ft travel trailer and getting crazy good gas mileage! Went from 24Litres/100kms regular driving and 33Litres/100kms hauling with my 2011 Yukon XL 3/4, to 14Litres/100kms and 20Litres/100kms hauling.

I was reading your post and had to change the numbers to gallon and miles to make sense to me. I came up with the following"

3.5 motor 17 mpg - not towing
11.8 mpg - towing

6.0 motor 9.8 - not towing
7.1 - towing

It seem that the mileage you were getting on the 6.0 was terrible and the mileage on the 3.5 is only fair at best. Please check my figures as I may have made a mistake. Thanks

 

[aggiegrad05]

I was reading your post and had to change the numbers to gallon and miles to make sense to me. I came up with the following"

3.5 motor 17 mpg - not towing
11.8 mpg - towing

6.0 motor 9.8 - not towing
7.1 - towing

It seem that the mileage you were getting on the 6.0 was terrible and the mileage on the 3.5 is only fair at best. Please check my figures as I may have made a mistake. Thanks

That seems reasonable on the 3.5 depending on driving style. I’ve got 6600 miles on my ‘18 and I have a 15.6mpg lifetime average (no towing).

 

[Scottorama]

I was reading your post and had to change the numbers to gallon and miles to make sense to me. I came up with the following"

3.5 motor 17 mpg - not towing
11.8 mpg - towing

6.0 motor 9.8 - not towing
7.1 - towing

It seem that the mileage you were getting on the 6.0 was terrible and the mileage on the 3.5 is only fair at best. Please check my figures as I may have made a mistake. Thanks

ALso note you are comparing a half ton vehicle to a 3/4 ton vehicle.....not an apples to apples comparison. The 3/4 will be geared much differently to be better set up for hauling, which will largely impact MPG's.