We are thinking an old chain is stretched a tooth or two...hence why my timing arks don't line up the way the Ford workbook shows when i have all the colored links lined up. Everyone says its acting over-retarded on one or both banks. Engine wont't run long enough (more than 2 minutes) to set a code. All cam caps kept in order and installed in same spots. Pulling valve covers isnt going to tell me anything frankly, its what is under the timing cover that makes this condition occur. When i get back home I'm going to unplug both VCT solenoids to see if itll run, if it does then we know it needs new camphasers.
I wish i just lived with the startup rattle and didn't do this...at least my truck ran perfect without a hiccup before. There wasnt much damage, all these youtube mechanics blow the startup rattle out of proportion i could have left it alone rattled for a year and no damage inside at all.