Automatic Engine Shutdown

[scottdm]

Discovered a new feature last night. I had my two younger kids in the vehicle with the engine running and we were watching a movie on the Ford RES during my oldest son's soccer practice. Maybe 45 minutes into the movie, the vehicle shutdown by itself. Sure enough, the manual describes this functionality (see below), though it would be nice to find if it can be disabled via FORScan. It can be overridden from the driver's seat, but I was in the 3rd row watching the movie, and didn't see the message on the instrument cluster. The Ford RES is a pain when the ignition is cycled since the RES shuts down and the bluetooth connection has to be re-synced. Curious if others have run into this "feature."

Automatic Engine Shutdown

For vehicles with a keyless ignition, this automatically shuts down your vehicle if it has been idling for an extended period. The ignition also turns off to save battery power. Before your vehicle shuts down, a message appears in the information display showing a timer counting down. If you do not intervene within 30 seconds, your vehicle shuts down. Another message appears in the information display to inform you that your vehicle has shut down to save fuel. Start your vehicle as normal.

Automatic Engine Shutdown Override Note: You cannot permanently switch off the automatic shutdown feature. When you switch it off temporarily, it turns on at the next ignition cycle. You can stop the shutdown, or reset the timer, at any point before the 30-second countdown has expired by doing any of the following: • You can reset the timer by interacting with your vehicle, for example pressing the brake or accelerator pedal. • You can temporarily switch off the shutdown feature any time the ignition is on using the information display. See Information Displays (page 109). The feature only remains off for the current ignition cycle. • During the 30-second countdown, the system prompts you to press OK or RESET to temporarily switch the feature off for the current ignition cycle only.

 

[16plati]

The one reason I will never buy a 4th gen.

 

[stamp11127]

Says interacting with the vehicle to reset the timer. Open each door while watching the display. I would expect the driver door to reset it, maybe all the doors will also.

 

[Deadman]

You can buy a harness to override this......

 

[Sgt Darkness]

You can buy a harness to override this......

Xactly......

 

[Trainmaster]

Federal regulation effective 2021. New York City is threatening that existing cars will have to be retrofitted with a 7-minute automatic shut-off or fail inspection.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Federal regulation effective 2021. New York City is threatening that existing cars will have to be retrofitted with a 7-minute automatic shut-off or fail inspection.

I also heard New York City’s mayor is threatening to require all vehicles to turn left only...........

 

[scottdm]

Xactly......

Please elaborate. I'm aware of the harness to disable auto start/stop but I ended up disabling the auto start/stop via FORScan instead. This auto shutoff that I'm describing is different and only activates when the vehicle has been idling for an extended period of time (30-40 minutes).

 

[1955moose]

So NASCAR's run by left wingers? I thought California had weird rules. New Yorks rules are getting like Japan. What's next, replace the motor at 50k! That's what Japan does. No wonder everyone crams into a Subway, or pedals a bike there.

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[Sgt Darkness]

Please elaborate. I'm aware of the harness to disable auto start/stop but I ended up disabling the auto start/stop via FORScan instead. This auto shutoff that I'm describing is different and only activates when the vehicle has been idling for an extended period of time (30-40 minutes).

Oh, I see now which cutoff you’re talking about now, I thought you were referring to the momentary cutoff at a red light or stop sign....so, they will shut off after idel’in for a set amount of time? I need to read the manual a tad better next time.....

 

[TobyU]

Federal regulation effective 2021. New York City is threatening that existing cars will have to be retrofitted with a 7-minute automatic shut-off or fail inspection.

This shit country we live in!

 

[RhinoQuartz]

So, just in case people were worried about the stop-start system (which has been around for years in Europe, specifically with Fords too) or were wondering about how it works, here are some links to a few explanations:

Video -
Explanation from Haynes.com - https://haynes.com/en-us/tips-tutorials/stop-start-technology-explained

Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start-stop_system

Car and Driver - https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15126526/engine-stop-start-technology/

Driving.ca - https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/how-it-works-starters-and-automatic-start-stop-technology/amp

 

[TobyU]

I'm not worried about it. I'm just against government standards and mandates that force it to be installed on a car. Yes, soon as you get your inspection you can turn it off but that doesn't make up for the two thousand plus dollars it would cost to add it to your vehicle. Piss on Europe, piss on everybody, piss on this government restriction world ******** it keeps telling us what to do at taking away our rights and freedoms in the name of safety or the environment whatever the hell else.
This is why old people are happy to die and go on to leave the craphole world that's all messed up so they can quit getting controlled by it.
I feel sorry for the young people with any sense of individual ownership rights or freedoms because they'll have very few. Fortunately for the world we live in though, most of them have been conditioned to accept it as normal and some even like it that way. All a bunch of idiots if you ask me.
This country has legislated all their freedoms away.
Maybe one of these days after Armageddon or the EMP pulse that wipes out everything electronic and people have to live by way of fire to keep warm and hunting to eat, after they're done killing each other, the ones that are left will be back to their own rights and freedoms like we had in the 1000s and somewhat into the 20th century.
Back when you had a piece of land you could do whatever you wanted to with it or on it.
Back when there was no local municipality or government authority showing up to tell you how to paint your flaking steps or fix your sagging gutters or you couldn't park a trailer or motorhome beside your house or in your yard or whatever. The goody two shoes, uppities and yuppies have destroyed any resemblance of America this country had.

 

[edizzle]

The one reason I will never buy a 4th gen.

LOL. Really this is the one reason? The fact it turns itself off after 45 minutes. You are to too much man.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

I'm not worried about it. I'm just against government standards and mandates that force it to be installed on a car. Yes, soon as you get your inspection you can turn it off but that doesn't make up for the two thousand plus dollars it would cost to add it to your vehicle. Piss on Europe, piss on everybody, piss on this government restriction world ******** it keeps telling us what to do at taking away our rights and freedoms in the name of safety or the environment whatever the hell else.
This is why old people are happy to die and go on to leave the craphole world that's all messed up so they can quit getting controlled by it.
I feel sorry for the young people with any sense of individual ownership rights or freedoms because they'll have very few. Fortunately for the world we live in though, most of them have been conditioned to accept it as normal and some even like it that way. All a bunch of idiots if you ask me.
This country has legislated all their freedoms away.
Maybe one of these days after Armageddon or the EMP pulse that wipes out everything electronic and people have to live by way of fire to keep warm and hunting to eat, after they're done killing each other, the ones that are left will be back to their own rights and freedoms like we had in the 1000s and somewhat into the 20th century.
Back when you had a piece of land you could do whatever you wanted to with it or on it.
Back when there was no local municipality or government authority showing up to tell you how to paint your flaking steps or fix your sagging gutters or you couldn't park a trailer or motorhome beside your house or in your yard or whatever. The goody two shoes, uppities and yuppies have destroyed any resemblance of America this country had.

Ok, in all seriousness, can we quit the political grandstanding and all this fReEdOm malarkey or whatever and keep this thread on topic please.



I posted those links for anyone worried [about how constant starting and stopping would affect their engine/battery/electrical system/alternator/etc] or for those curious to learn more about this particular method of running a vehicle, as it's actually quite interesting.

It's also been around a good while (on Ford vehicles too!) and has had quite a few kinks ironed out, than from when it was first implemented. I remember reading through the TG reviews of long term loaners and it was disconcerting at first, but you get used to it after a while. It's not really been implemented in North America as the testing requires less idling than it does under EU regulations, but I guess they figured it was time to roll out on the big boys. I'm pretty sure the F-150 has had it a few years now already, I want to say 2015 it started on that platform? If and when I do ever manage to get an Expy, I have to say I'm quite excited for this feature - hopefully it will save some gas and go a little way to being able to justify the expensive outlay.

Edit: Neat little feature of the rotary dial shifter at 18:26 -

 

[Yupster Dog]

So Scott had his truck shut off on him while he was watching ( what movie was it?) and found out about a 45 minute shutoff. He was wondering if it could be turned off and if anybody else came across this problem too. He looked it up in the manual and answer his own Question all in the same post. ( excellent thread and post in my opinion) But that's where it all went wrong.

In comes a firefighter saying he don't want no Fire truck that cuts off at a stoplight.

Then here comes Stamp with his door open and a deadman jumps in and tries to override darkness with a harness.


At this point Scott steps in and tries to politely redirect the deadman and his darkness hoping to get some results.

But no, In jumps a Moose riding a bike in a subway station chasing the Mayor who is running in circles to the left while watching NASCAR while waiting on the train that is 7 minutes short of making it to the Tokyo station

Scott then had a glimmer of hope when the darkness lifted as the light turn on over darkness's head.

Then toby went to the country and stepped in some poop. (thank you for sharing) TMI

And then a rhino comes in and explains to the firefighter that his truck will start back up even showed a video about it.

Then toby (after getting drunk because he stepped in some poo) fell asleep and dreamed about his freedom and how he pissed on anyone who tried to take it away, only to wake up and see that he had pissed all over himself in the drunk tank.

So you see Rhino even you are off topic. (even though I agree with you about politically hijacking the threads) There is a lounge for that.

Scott,
I agree with Stamp opening the back door or even just changing the volume could reset the 45 minute timer.(before the 30 second countdown)

 

[Plati]

So NASCAR's run by left wingers? I thought California had weird rules. New Yorks rules are getting like Japan. What's next, replace the motor at 50k! That's what Japan does. No wonder everyone crams into a Subway, or pedals a bike there.

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Japan Doesn't do that. Sorry
Urban folk tale

 

[Retiredusps]

Back in the late 70s they installed the software on Diesel Trucks to shut down after 3 minutes idle.Real pain when airing up and doing a precheck. Also when waiting to unload and want heat or air cond running engine would shut down.You could have it changed by going into computer and turn off the feature.Was a real pain if you were using the power take off, suddenly lift gate stops, Pump for fuel oil delivery shut down.Dealers really loved it *** $$$$ to change settings.You could by pass it on tractor trailers by leaving the tractor brakes released and locking up the trailer brakes.Some if you set cruise control with brakes released truck would keep running.Go to Port of Athortity Bus terminal in NY they make buses shut down nice big Fine and they enforce it.You now have to have a special heating and cooling system on over the road trucks to heat and cool the unit.******** like Cal. banning trucks after a certain year running the ports.

 

[stamp11127]

So Moose, has a new version of Bedrck47 possibly popped his head up?

 

[Bonji]

I'm not worried about it. I'm just against government standards and mandates that force it to be installed on a car.

Yes, those dad-gum seatbelts are ruining everything and taking muh freedums!