Cold Start Rattle

[Atticus Mabrry]

Ford already replaced my cam phaser once and now the rattle is back and worse about 6 months later. Embarassingly bad for such a pricey machine. Anyone had to have this done twice?

 

[Artie]

Ford already replaced my cam phaser once and now the rattle is back and worse about 6 months later. Embarassingly bad for such a pricey machine. Anyone had to have this done twice?

You must have gotten the repair done with the same parts used at original build. I think they have a new part number now, but I could be mistaken.

 

[Vipersinu2]

That sounds a bit like mine. Altho I don’t think mine rattles more when I goose it. I’ll pay attention.

I would take it in and request 2 new turbos

 

[Bmanxx13]

It’s been about 2 months since they replaced our cam phasers and we haven’t heard any startup rattles since.

 

[Soliyou]

Ford already replaced my cam phaser once and now the rattle is back and worse about 6 months later. Embarassingly bad for such a pricey machine. Anyone had to have this done twice?

I remember that you had oil leaks after the repair, do you recall what was the issue that caused the leak??

 

[ESA 780]

I have a 19 limited max and had a rattle. Took it in and they are replacing one of the cam phasers.

 

[AAOO]

I just dropped mine off for the 30 second to 1 minute rattle at start up. They did cam phasers with the new part in February. Hopefully I’ll be getting new turbos because I think the sound is coming from the wastegate linkage.

 

[Dice Roll]

Does the wastegate issue mean the turbos are bad? Or just annoying? Mine has what sounds like that rattle, but some on here had said there is a cold start sound that is normal because of some valve or etc.

Not interested in getting covid over a sound. For bad turbos, maybe...

 

[Vipersinu2]

If the turbo wastegate is rattling, you are under boosting the turbo.
Loosing performance also.

 

[AAOO]

If the turbo wastegate is rattling, you are under boosting the turbo.
Loosing performance also.

hmmm. So coming out of first gear sometimes it feels like the vehicle is going to stall (shudders). Could this be leakage from the wastegate causing loss of boost? I was thinking transmission but this makes more sense since the trans is showing no other issues throughout the other gears.

 

[Will Sepulveda]

Has a TSB been issued for the cam phaser problem?

 

[Maximo B Guadiano]

Thanks for you info, now it sounds like it needs oil on start up. Lifters sounding loud at first, and then the passenger side of the engine sounds like lifters are not getting ample oil. Ticking sound only from the passenger side and not the driver side. Your thoughts

 

[AAOO]

Update: Got mine back and they said my wategates are rattling but it's still in spec. It's basicaly going to have to throw a code before they will fix under warranty. The shop foreman said anything you hear in the first minute after startup Ford is now considering normal. He even said they are starting to refuse cam phaser noises (if you push them hard they will still do them as a courtesy during factory warranty) because it doesn't affect performance or long term durability. He said bring it back if the rattle gets worse outside of the first minute after a cold start.

 

[Vipersinu2]

AAOO unplug it and make it throw a code.

These trucks are 70k, my truck was 100k

Ridiculous of the treatment. Its ford fault selling a pile of shit.

 

[acf83]

AAOO unplug it and make it throw a code.

These trucks are 70k, my truck was 100k

Ridiculous of the treatment. Its ford fault selling a pile of shit.

dealer and Ford are stating that the rattle on start up are a normal noise now. after they replaced the Vet solenoids to "fix" the start up rattle. have what I believe is a turbo waste gate rattle on start up and acceleration. Its been there for 6 weeks now and they claim the turbo is fine after I stated I would just buy a new one and repair the vehicle myself. Will unplugging the electrical solenoid on the turbo make the rattle stop upon start up, so I can demo this to the dealer?

 

[Atticus Mabrry]

Oil leak on mine was the head gasket. They bent it repairing the timing chain crap. It's back in the shop for the same thing again. Someone mentioned that there was no longer term durability/reliability issues from this...I call BS. How can Ford possibly know that!? Something is slapping/rattling and therefore its not normal. I'm 100% certain the wastegate on mine is rattling too but they have about 5 issues to fix on this one trip...so...that might be another day. Sunroof is also jamming on hot days...

 

[minichunks]

Update: Got mine back and they said my wategates are rattling but it's still in spec. It's basicaly going to have to throw a code before they will fix under warranty. The shop foreman said anything you hear in the first minute after startup Ford is now considering normal. He even said they are starting to refuse cam phaser noises (if you push them hard they will still do them as a courtesy during factory warranty) because it doesn't affect performance or long term durability. He said bring it back if the rattle gets worse outside of the first minute after a cold start.

Mine does the same thing, and I got the same answer from the dealer on fixing the wastegate rattle. I'll go back again before the warranty is up and put up a fight, but didn't have time the day i was there. From my F150, the dealership knows I can be a PITA, so I don't suspect they'll blow me off for long. $70k+ truck and it's supposed to rattle?!?!? I think not.

 

[Dirk McGirt06]

Is this cam phaser issue something that is covered under the power train warranty? I just purchased my 2018 Expedition Max Limited with 51K miles. And it has the exact same sound as these others on the thread that have been mentioned as having a cam phaser problem. Thing is, when I got it from the small town Ford dealership, the service manager said that it's not an issue. Well, if you can replace parts and fix the noise, that sounds like an issue to me...

Just want to know if I need to invest in an extended warranty before I start heading down this road.

 

[DWs-TTEB]

Is this cam phaser issue something that is covered under the power train warranty? I just purchased my 2018 Expedition Max Limited with 51K miles. And it has the exact same sound as these others on the thread that have been mentioned as having a cam phaser problem. Thing is, when I got it from the small town Ford dealership, the service manager said that it's not an issue. Well, if you can replace parts and fix the noise, that sounds like an issue to me...

Just want to know if I need to invest in an extended warranty before I start heading down this road.

Covered under the powertrain warranty (60,000 OD)

 

[DWs-TTEB]

i'd get that extended warranty too (you're close to 60K)