Display audio track on gauge cluster screen?

[carymccarr]

For example AptX and some other higher quality codeC's get downgraded to most likely SBC in a BT Audio stream with Sync 3. In addition, AAC streams are typically limited to around CD quality when BT is involved.

Add it to the list of sync limitations I guess. LOL

For what it’s worth CD quality audio is a pretty good standard for a car since most people are going to stream at that rate most of the time. Though I must say I am thoroughly enjoying the free year of tidal.


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[LokiWolf]

So Loki,

Like, are you normal in other ways? How do you know all this stuff?!?!?

Normal is a based on perspective...

Chemistry Degree by education, Enterprise Systems/Network Admin by trade. Raised by a road racer and general car guy. Been screwing with cars/trucks all my life. Driven many race cars way too fast. Add Tech into the equation, and it just makes it even more fun!!

My sound background comes from High School/College where I mixed and operated sound boards for several local Bands.

I still do sound a bit, well cause it has become so driven and intertwined with systems. I help small businesses like Churches get their equipment modernized. During this Pandemic I have helped several get streaming online.

I read a lot, tinker a lot.

I think of myself as normal, but some might not think so...


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[LokiWolf]

Add it to the list of sync limitations I guess. LOL

For what it’s worth CD quality audio is a pretty good standard for a car since most people are going to stream at that rate most of the time. Though I must say I am thoroughly enjoying the free year of tidal.


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Not really a limitation of just Sync. Many BT devices only support those 2 codecs for the stream. The device handles the conversion. Most will never hear the difference.

Bottom line, want the best sound, hardwire.


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[carymccarr]

Bottom line, want the best sound, hardwire.


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*as long as you are streaming at a HIGHER rate than CD quality.

 

[LokiWolf]

*as long as you are streaming at a HIGHER rate than CD quality.

If it is in iTunes it is higher quality. And while it is “CD Quality”, sometimes it is clipped(as in very high/very low are cut). The stream is compressed, and sometimes can go as low as 250-320kbps(basically high quality MP3).

Bluetooth is fine if you are doing Pandora, or Spotify....because most people have these set at the Normal quality levels, not high because of data usage.

I still stand by my statement.


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[carymccarr]

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[carymccarr]

If it is in iTunes it is higher quality. And while it is “CD Quality”, sometimes it is clipped(as in very high/very low are cut). The stream is compressed, and sometimes can go as low as 250-320kbps(basically high quality MP3).

Bluetooth is fine if you are doing Pandora, or Spotify....because most people have these set at the Normal quality levels, not high because of data usage.

I still stand by my statement.


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Right. So if you are streaming above AAC/CD quality you should connect a wire.

We are in agreement.

Either way, all of the sync limitations I listed were confirmed. I appreciate that.

If anyone here finds work around let me know. Thanks!!

 

[LokiWolf]

Right. So if you are streaming above AAC/CD quality you should connect a wire.

We are in agreement.

Either way, all of the sync limitations I listed were confirmed. I appreciate that.

If anyone here finds work around let me know. Thanks!!

Did you read what I typed. Even if you are streaming at or below CD Quality you could STILL be getting clipped sound being played. Because the stream is still being compressed, just most music won’t hear a difference.

The only source I said that is most likely not getting lowered in true quality would be a “normal” stream from a streaming service like pandora or Spotify. I personally have mine set at high quality, because my Data plan can easily handle it.

Most were NOT sync limitations. Some were exactly as designed.

Find me a CP/AA implementation that gives access to Native Nav when they are attached. It just makes ZERO sense.

Again, YOU want to scroll through the second page of 6 presets from your steering wheel, I do not. My second page is for the radio stations in the city where my in-laws live. Just because you think it is a “limitation” does not make it so.


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[carymccarr]

Most were NOT sync limitations. Some were exactly as designed.

Find me a CP/AA implementation that gives access to Native Nav when they are attached. It just makes ZERO sense.

Every one was a limitation but I’ll respond to the two that you believe most strongly “arent”

Regarding not wanting to be limited to phone based navigation...

Maybe you don’t have great cell service but want your phone plugged in because you are playing lossless music that’s loaded on your phone....maybe you need to charge a phone via the cord and you don’t feel like scrolling through screen after screen to turn off carplay just so you are “allowed” to access factory nav.

Range Rover and GMC for sure aren’t limited like that.

Again, just because you have no use case for it doesn’t mean it’s not a limitation.

Again, YOU want to scroll through the second page of 6 presets from your steering wheel, I do not.


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And I want to scroll through all of them like
I could in EVERY OTHER VEHICLE I’ve ever owned. Not allowing me to IS a limitation. If someone wants to lock into a small preset subset they could make that an option for the user. By definition not doing so IS a limitation.

Every item I listed is a confirmed limitation. Just because you don’t mind them doesn’t mean they arent.

You sound like a dealer not wanting to pay a warranty claim “sir despite that horrible
Screeching noise the vehicle is operating as designed”

 

[AKentPhoto]

Now that that is settled...

@carymccarr
How do we get a free year of tidal!?

 

[carymccarr]

Now that that is settled...

@carymccarr
How do we get a free year of tidal!?

It just came with my Navi...not sure if it does with the expys too. I really like it. I’ve found the sound system to be very good but it has a crazy front bias so the sound needs to really pushed to the rear by at least 60% and set the soundstage to ‘stage’.

Once it does it’s the best factory car audio system I’ve ever owned. Took a bit (1,000 miles lol) to get it the way I like it. Was a little disappointed out of the gate.

Re: factory nav and carplay, just so you don’t think I’m BS’ing you here’s a pic of my rover with carplay on and factory nav on.

 

[AKentPhoto]

@carymccarr
Is that a black label thing? Might need to call the dealer...

My biggest complaint about sound the system is the weak eq options specifically no adjustment for the sub. If I have dogs in the back I don't want to blast them out. Still fine tuning the eq on the phone side.

 

[carymccarr]

@carymccarr
Is that a black label thing? Might need to call the dealer...

My biggest complaint about sound the system is the weak eq options specifically no adjustment for the sub. If I have dogs in the back I don't want to blast them out. Still fine tuning the eq on the phone side.

There is a “bass” setting but yeah, no separate sub. I honestly figured that the EQ on the phone was overidden by the car but maybe not.

Tidal may be black label only. Not sure.

 

[AKentPhoto]

Anyone ever tried one of these mini to USB sticks? Might be nice for the rear entertainment as well...

https://naviks.com/i-24076199-ford-sync-3-usb-to-3-5mm-aux-adapter.html

 

[carymccarr]

Anyone ever tried one of these mini to USB sticks? Might be nice for the rear entertainment as well...

https://naviks.com/i-24076199-ford-sync-3-usb-to-3-5mm-aux-adapter.html

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What does it do?


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[AKentPhoto]

Apparently provides an analog input for sync3... No idea what codec it uses...

 

[carymccarr]

Apparently provides an analog input for sync3... No idea what codec it uses...

Well, I believe with iphone you’re stuck with AAC but if I’m even off with the nuance I’m sure I’ll be corrected! ;-)


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[LokiWolf]

Anyone ever tried one of these mini to USB sticks? Might be nice for the rear entertainment as well...

https://naviks.com/i-24076199-ford-sync-3-usb-to-3-5mm-aux-adapter.html

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Yes, I have read of people using them! Not sure if it was this particular brand...but they worked. Do a search on the 150 Forums, that is where I saw a discussion on them.

 

[LokiWolf]

Well, I believe with iphone you’re stuck with AAC but if I’m even off with the nuance I’m sure I’ll be corrected! ;-)


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I know that was a dig at me...so let me not leave you waiting.

On a modern iPhone you would have to use the lightning to analog audio adapter, so my guess is you would be using this for non Apple stuff, like aftermarket rear seat entertainment, without using an FM transmitter.

An audio cable like that would be analog, so hence no codec, because that is a digital thing.

But the device that was linked above would have to take the Analog Audio and convert it to a digital stream via some codec that Sync is happy with. There is no straight documentation from Ford that lists what Codec's they support for hardwire, but instead they list phones that I have found. So far everything I have plugged in, worked.

 

[LokiWolf]

@carymccarr You were correct on the Factory Nav for other manufacturers. I know BMW, VW, Toyota, Mazda, Dodge, and Nissan do not allow Native Nav access when Carplay is attached, but apparently some do. I played with a neighbors chevy a few months ago, and his did not. Factory Nav button sent you to Apple Maps when his phone was connected, so maybe there has been an update or GMC uses a slightly different version.

Turning off Carplay is 4 button presses for me, but all good if that is too hard.

We can agree to disagree, I don't see them as limitations. Do I wish it was better, yes, but I have used MANY systems that were WAY worse. I change what I can, and live with what I can't.