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Before I take my 2019 Limited in for my first warranty service, I want to make sure that I don't complain that my front proximity sensors aren't working right if they're actually working like they do on other people's 2018-19 Expeditions. For starters, I measured the distance it takes to get the alert to sound. It is when the bumper is 2' away from a stationary object, and this object must be taller than a curb because they don't 'see' curbs. Also, if a person were to walk right in front of the vehicle with it in 'D,' nothing happens. My other issue is clear cut: even though it is set to 'on,' and the sensitivity set to 'normal,' the collision avoidance system does not function--no light, no alarm, no braking. Oddly the adaptive cruise does 'see' the vehicle ahead and maintains spacing. I'm starting to miss my old XLT pickup with manual everything.
 

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If you think there's an issue, id still take it in. 2' sou ds about right, you have to damn near be right on an object at a slow enough speed before itll start beeping. Thats par for the course on any car with front sensors. Does your proximity screen come up at all? Its harder to test the collision alert, for it to come on, the car in front has to be at a drasticically slower speed in front and your foot has to be completely off the brake. At first i didnt think it worked, till the first time it did(and stopped). A good way to test actually, when someone is turning in front of you, speed up. This will "confuse" the sensor and should throw on your alarm.
 

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The front proximity sensors only operate under 10 (or maybe even 5) mph.

And as far as the auto braking goes, it works but its hard to test as you almost have to be in an emergency for it to activate. The “accelerate behind someone in front of you turning right” is a great way to get the collision alarm to sound. But I wouldn’t recommend trying to test the auto braking. Although someone on here did rig up a tarp or a sheet in their driveway and tried to drive through it...that worked for them.
 
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My son and I were out in the Expedition and, while he was driving, I mentioned that the active collision control didn't seem to be working. He said his 2018 Raptor is constantly reacting/braking when someone changes lanes ahead of him, or slows suddenly, or starts up from a stop and hits their brakes; so he tried some of these scenarios that he said always caused his truck to react and nothing happened. I was afraid he was going to rear-end one car before he hit the brakes himself.

Now my first experiences with these features goes back fourteen years when I worked test-driving Jaguars and Range Rovers and what I experienced way back then (with each of these features) wasn't anywhere remotely close to what's happening with this vehicle...that was back when Ford owned JLR and lots of back and forth "sharing" was going on. Since I drive Fords and keep them for the long term, and because Ford dragged their feet offering these options; this is the first Ford vehicle I've owned that came with adaptive cruise etc.

Getting back to not wanting to gripe about something that is not a problem; I was at the selling dealership to have a part replaced that was scratched upon delivery and I mentioned how the handsfree lift gate wasn't reacting to my foot. The service guy looks under the bumper for the sensor then stands up and kicks in and out one time and the lift gate opens. So feeling like a fool, I'm standing there and I can't get it to close w/o kicking like eight or ten times. With that in mind, I don't want to come across as the old guy who cries "wolf."
 

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I want to make sure that I don't complain that my front proximity sensors aren't working right if they're actually working like they do on other people's 2018-19 Expeditions.

Yours sound like they are working like mine, but IMHO, that doesn't mean they are working right. My previous car beeped when anything was in front of a sensor, including a person or animal. I have never experienced that with this car and I am terrified of not seeing a small child or animal. I drive like an old lady in parking lots/schools/chuch/etc; little kids can move so fast.
 

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My son and I were out in the Expedition and, while he was driving, I mentioned that the active collision control didn't seem to be working. He said his 2018 Raptor is constantly reacting/braking when someone changes lanes ahead of him, or slows suddenly, or starts up from a stop and hits their brakes; so he tried some of these scenarios that he said always caused his truck to react and nothing happened. I was afraid he was going to rear-end one car before he hit the brakes himself.

Now my first experiences with these features goes back fourteen years when I worked test-driving Jaguars and Range Rovers and what I experienced way back then (with each of these features) wasn't anywhere remotely close to what's happening with this vehicle...that was back when Ford owned JLR and lots of back and forth "sharing" was going on. Since I drive Fords and keep them for the long term, and because Ford dragged their feet offering these options; this is the first Ford vehicle I've owned that came with adaptive cruise etc.

Getting back to not wanting to gripe about something that is not a problem; I was at the selling dealership to have a part replaced that was scratched upon delivery and I mentioned how the handsfree lift gate wasn't reacting to my foot. The service guy looks under the bumper for the sensor then stands up and kicks in and out one time and the lift gate opens. So feeling like a fool, I'm standing there and I can't get it to close w/o kicking like eight or ten times. With that in mind, I don't want to come across as the old guy who cries "wolf."

I know it goes without saying, but you have it turned on, right?
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2018 XLT. Alert mainly goes off when a car in front of me is turning. Has gone off when I came up on a car in front of me too quickly. Manual says it will not stop itself, but does apply extra braking pressure. Strange, since as others have said, adaptive cruise control will stop the car. I have had deer cross in front of me twice, and it did not go off. I believe brake lights do not come on when cruise control slows the car since it uses engine braking. Could be a problem with a car behind you not knowing you are suddenly slowing.
 
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Yes, and sensitivity was set to "normal" so I'll try to re-set it to "high" and see if that makes any difference. FWIW, every possible feature was activated when we took delivery...auto high beams and all.
 

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Manual says it will not stop itself, but does apply extra braking pressure.
The vehicle will absolutely stop itself in an emergency; mine has and it 100% prevented me from rear-ending someone. It does offer brake support as step two of its "save your ass protocol"...step three is active braking.

From the manual:

If your vehicle is rapidly approaching another stationary vehicle, a vehicle traveling in the same direction as yours, or a pedestrian within your driving path, the system is designed to provide three levels of functionality:

  1. Alert
  1. Brake Support
  1. Active Braking
Alert: When active, a flashing visual warning appears and an audible warning tone sounds.
Brake Support: The system is designed to help reduce the impact speed by preparing the brakes for rapid braking. Brake support does not automatically apply the brakes. If you press the brake pedal, the system could apply additional braking up to maximum braking force, even if you lightly press the brake pedal.
Active Braking: Active braking may activate if the system determines that a collision is imminent. The system may help the driver reduce impact damage or avoid the crash completely.


I guess if you had passed out maybe it wouldn't bring itself to a complete stop in an emergency, but as someone who's experienced it, when the vehicle automatically clamps down on all four brakes, it is loud as hell (think: the grinding you hear when the adaptive cruise control is on, but turned up to 11) and alarm bells go off and lights flash all over the place. Point being, it absolutely slams on the brakes for you and maybe it will only take you down to single digit mph's, but you'll be very awake to handle the last few.
 
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Well, after a couple of days at the dealership service department, and after they spent some time with the hotline people, the service manager was told the following:
A. Other Ford vehicles communicate potential collisions to the drivers using a camera signal and their Active Collision Avoidance Systems use that signal to determine when to alert the driver and/or brake. The Expedition only uses signals from the lane-keeping and adaptive cruise sensors.
B. There is NO TEST that can determine if the system is functioning other than to rapidly close on another vehicle and risk a collision or have someone jump out in front of you while you're driving. The hotline strongly advised against both.
D. Their logic was that, if the lane-keeping and adaptive cruise sensors are working (as in the adaptive cruise slowing when closing on another vehicle), then the ACA is "assumed" to be working properly. Both I and the service manager have had the same experience with the ACA by "simulating" close calls with no alert or braking actions. Interestingly another Expedition in inventory behaved the exact same way. So when I asked "what's next?" I was told I could call the 800 number, report my concerns to Ford, and insist that they open a case file, which I did. I have since been told that my situation has been handed off to a more Specialized Team. My hope would be that they can come up with a way to input data into the vehicle that would create signals to mimic a potential collision and see if that generates a response. It is baffling that they would equip some of their most expensive and greatest (passenger) capacity vehicles with a system that does not function as predictably as in their other, smaller vehicles, and cannot be tested for proper operation. A vehicle intended to be used to transport a family assuming all of the inherent "distractions" that entails ought to have the MOST RELIABLE alert system they can develop--certainly equal to or better than the ACA systems in smaller passenger cars and pickups.
 

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I would put the damn thing up on jack stands and move a person or a cardboard cutout in front or toward it to see if it brakes.
 

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You could also rig up a tarp or large inflatable item and drive straight towards it to see if it reacts. If it doesn't it wouldn't cause any harm to the vehicle.
 

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You could also rig up a tarp or large inflatable item and drive straight towards it to see if it reacts. If it doesn't it wouldn't cause any harm to the vehicle.


I big raft sounds like a great ideal. Could hold it on each side and drive through it or get a large piece of the banner paper and driver through it.

Wear seatbelt and be prepared for a jolt.

Airbags (not air bags -mother in laws...wait some women) can't deploy on car initiated self stop can they ??????
That would SUCK!
 
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You could also rig up a tarp or large inflatable item and drive straight towards it to see if it reacts. If it doesn't it wouldn't cause any harm to the vehicle.

Yeah, if it isn't working then potentially only some minor scratching up front, and/or some minor staining of the driver's seat!

I'm too old now to enjoy an occasional adrenaline rush, so I'm counting on Ford having a way to test their system that doesn't involve (intentionally) driving at, into, or over anything.
 

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Let us know what you learn. I remember test driving a Volvo once at the dealer since they were early adopters of automatic braking technology. They had me drive straight towards a couple of cones in their parking lot and it was all I could do to not slam on the brakes out of instinct. I resisted the urge, and the car stopped itself, but it was a strange feeling for sure!
 
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Met with a "field engineer" today. On a test drive, I had to floor the accelerator while heading toward the back of a slow moving semi trailer, and getting uncomfortably close, to trigger the light and tone which verified that the ACA system does work. I described it as marginal; but the engineer pointed out, "that's all that Ford guarantees--a working system not necessarily a perfect system." Not what I would have preferred to hear. He further explained that, from an engineering standpoint, the performance standards for this vehicle are unique to the Expedition/Navigator line and differ totally from any other Ford vehicle with ACA. So, if you are used to driving another Ford with ACA, don't expect your Expedition/Navigator to act the same as that other vehicle. Even at maximum sensitivity, encountering most driving situations that you as the driver would "expect" to trigger a light and tone alert probably won't, all because the engineering team had different ideas on what conditions should trigger a warning. Further still, he acknowledged that it makes no difference in ACA operation whether you have a normal wheelbase or max, 4X2 or 4X4, seven or eight people in the vehicle or one, packed for a trip or not, towing a trailer or not; the ACA operates based on a single set of criteria established for the Expedition/Navigator line. Why? Maybe costs?

Shades of the A/C in my 2010 F-150 causing me to dread Phoenix summers even more. Just when the evaporator temperature reached the point where the cabin air "could" be adequately cooled, the computer would kick the compressor off. Why? Mileage, at the expense of passenger comfort.

However, in the big scheme of things, a perfect ACA ranks much lower to me than: comfortable seats, awesome power, visibility, good looks, road presence, outstanding A/C, and the overall interior layout with so many useful features. Knowing the ACA works and hoping never to need it will have to suffice.
 

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I wonder if having the ACA would let elderly with bad eyesight, and slow reaction time to keep their license, and keep driving? If the computer can stop the SUV, what's to keep them from steering it too? Just think, Gramps can barely get himself in his 2025 Navigator, but push a button, turn the key, and off he goes to the coffee clatch, with his 90 year old war buddies!

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The system works. I was coming up on a left-turning vehicle at the apex of a right-hand curve on a county highway at 59mph...the sensors picked it up an threw a shit fit.
 

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The system works. I was coming up on a left-turning vehicle at the apex of a right-hand curve on a county highway at 59mph...the sensors picked it up an threw a shit fit.

I guess I am more aggressive of a driver than I think. I have NO problem getting my OH SH*T alarm to go off. I bet it happens once a week. The auto-braking has only happened once, but the alarms happen all the time.
 
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