gryphon vs edge update, according to php

[2000eb]

as for bashing i really dont care i did alot of research and cold air intakes and i saw people switching from a gotts mod with k&n drop in to a cold air intake and not noticing other then the bling. i just found it really amusing that php hates cold air intakes. they say they actually have a tune for people that get cai because they have to program the computer to do something i dont remember its with one of the vacuum lines and they say that alot of people need the tune just to make their truck run right. it might be because of some other off brand cai i dont know he didnt go into details with brands. just that alot of cai cause some problems for the 5.4l. plus how does k&n and other companies get their info from how much exta hp and tq a cai adds if they arent measuring it on a dyno, since its (only on a dyno) that a cai doesnt give you extra power

 

[ZombieSoldier]

K&N and the rest of the mainstream cold air intake manufacturers get their numbers off the top of their heads based upon new motors, cylinder volume, intake manifold size, runner length, valve sizes and camshaft profiles. Their numbers are never accurate.. Ever. Because there are too many variable. Elevation, temperature, humidity, age of motor/ miles, condition of motor, whether or not the car is running in peak condition, etc etc. My thoughts are this when it comes to intakes... I'm not about the power gain but getting air inside the motor most efficiently, any gain in power is a bonus!

 

[ZombieSoldier]

As far as your buddies cummins I an glad it made that much power with as little mods as it had, it's basically an enomally, because most even with custom tunes ( i dont like canned tunes because they are generically calibrated, thats like going to a thrift shop for a tuxedo, you get one that fits but it wont be perfect for you ) are about 75-100rwhp less!

 

[2000eb]

the smarty programmer is well known in the diesel industry for setting the standards for cummins. just like the EFI live does wonders for the duramax which EFI live has now started moving into the cummins industry. and just so everyone realizes a canned tune for a diesel can produce over a 100 hp out of the box with a generic CANNED tune. i honestly have lost touch with my old NCO but i would love to know what he is pushing now. and if you really think that that is amazing from those few mods open your eyes to what is going on with the diesel industry. there are countless "budget builds" pushing alot more hp then people just buying random parts and slapping them together. thats why you go to a shop that specializes in a certain motor and find out which parts work best together to achieve your goal. beans started off real big in cummins and now they are doing alot with powerstrokes. actually their sled truck is a powerstroke now. and you would only call B.S. if you are not familiar with the diesel industry.

http://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/mads/smarty.htm?gclid=CLjVs92H160CFSo0QgodZUMowA

advertising 230hp gain^^^

 

[2000eb]

i am absolutely obsessed with diesels and have dreams of dropping a built 4bt in the expy.
if you knew as much as you claim about diesels you would know that even "canned" tunes had more of an effect on cummins vs powerstroke or duramax. dodge played a smart game they kept their numbers lower which made getting insurance for them cheaper then insurance for a ford or chevy. dodge generally keeps hp numbers lower then ford or chevy because alot of buyers look at total cost of ownership. but insurance companies go off of factory hp ratings etc when they set prices. look at what people like us as enthusiasts do. take tom for instance, he is probably paying insurance for a regular 4x4 5.4l expedition not for a supercharged 5.4l that leaves built civics in the dust.

 

[ZombieSoldier]

you dont have to tell me about advertised gains vs actual gains, nor do you need to tell me about Cummins underrating their power. ALL manufacturers have been doing that since the 60's bro.. gas and diesel. My Powerstroke was rated at 205hp from the factory, yet stock they dyno'd 215-225hp AT THE WHEELS! it is nothing new

 

[ZombieSoldier]

Ok I edited my last post as it was rude and immature, and made me sound like a dick and that is exactly what I am not.

Bro just remember you are young and if you listen to what people are trying to tell you, you might learn a thing or three. I am not some idiot fresh off the boat. I have literally grown up in a automotive repair shop, went to school for it, actually was not only a mechanic before coming in the army but was also a CAT certified tech. Since I have come in the Army I have built numerous motors, including my big block 460 1982 ford bronco that was modded nicely. I also build intakes for Powerstrokes and now more recently started doing them for cummins rams, I help me buddy build and tune corvettes and other high performance cars and actually have been helping to build and tune diesels as my latest venture. So please before you run your mouth, understand what people are trying to tell you, not what you read in a magazine or from a part manufacturers website! Have a god day buddy. I am done with this thread. If you would like to talk to me privately, by means call me 719-237-0845. You will find I am a duper nice guy and very very knowledgable when it comes to anything with a motor

 

[Canadian Expy]

well look at it this way... on my edge I watch the IAT (Intake Air Temp) and while driving it is dead on with outside temp display on my expy..... while idling yes temp goes up... but who needs performance idling? Not me I like performance while driving... so the fact that CAI suck hot air is FULL OF SH%T!!!.... Today drove expy was 22 degrees on my expy thermometer and my house thermometer.... and guess what IAT was........... 22 Degrees.... so unless I am missing something where is this hot air at???

Agree Fully!!! same with mine the Edge tells me the intake temp is cold not hot !

 

[2000eb]

as for stock advertised hp thats not what i meant. dodge has been known for actually detuning the cummins. thats why if you dyno a powerstroke and cummins stock and by the same name programmer etc and run the same tune for instance the edge has a 93 octane tune for the fords and chevy etc gas engines. the cummins has much higher gains. i have worked on alot of cummins engines helping with mods and doing alot of snow performance installs for friends and what not for awhile so honestly MOST of my diesel knowledge is on cummins although i would love a 7.3l powerstroke. i posted that hp claim just because some on this forum are only used to gas engines and gas programmers which normally add 15-40hp and think that 200hp is some made up B.S.

im not by anymeans new to engines my mother and father can both rebuild engines till their blew in the face and have my and one of my brothers is in charge of a diesel fleet as a lead mechanic the other brother is a die hard carb guru he can do amazing things to a carburator and builds drag cars and i did aviation mechanics and started off building 302's and have fallen in love with diesels

but with all things said... has anyone ran the gotts mod and switched to a CAI and noticed a difference with performance or fuel mileage? i picked up so much with the gotts mod over stock i dont see how a CAI could possibly add any more mileage. i easily got 1mpg city and 1.5 highway with with gotts mod. so i should say did anyone get 2mpg highway with a CAI