Oil catch can

[Boostedbus]

If you sell it privately, then another point for how much you took care of Expy and why the higher asking price . If you trade it in, then dealer doesn’t care.

Yeah and it may become a thing in the future to the masses to not buy a used direct injected and especially boosted ones (Ecoboost)that haven’t had catch cans installed.Ford has pretty much acknowledged there is an issue with valve coking or they wouldn’t have redesigned the Ecoboost engines with dual injection (port and direct) on 2018 and up. I was told that the port injection is mainly used for washing the intake valves on these new engines.The only baffling part is why didn’t Ford use a catch can for the fix instead of port injection? A catch can also saves the innercooler.Maybe they don’t want them to last forever?

 

[mossback]

I’m a little confused, is the ‘18 completely immune to this issue?

 

[J Ski]

Do have to cut anything to get it installed? I don't mind having to do some creative routing or custom mounting, but I don't want to have to hack up the oem hoses or drill holes in the charge pipes.

Nope. Just made an extension for the mounting location so hoses sat better

 

[J Ski]

I’m a little confused, is the ‘18 completely immune to this issue?

Sounds like the 18s got the fix with both port and direct injection

 

[Boostedbus]

I’m a little confused, is the ‘18 completely immune to this issue?

2017 F150’s and 2018 Expys have 2nd gen 3.5 Ecoboost engines with dual injection. So the answer is yes but the jury is still out if the port injection is going to 100 percent solve the problem. I’ve been told they only spray port injectors intermittently to wash the intake valves. So the valves will still be hotter than normal which allows the oily vapors to still bake on.

 

[bobmbx]

Just emptied my can today. Installed on February 8th put about 1500 miles on it or so. Just under 1/4 cup of shit collected and it’s nasty. Glad to see this little can working

Curious.....if thats 1500 miles, won't this eventually show up as low oil indicated on the dipstick? And that oil loss is with or without a catch can.

Would you say thats about 1/2 cup?

 

[07xln]

Yeah and it may become a thing in the future to the masses to not buy a used direct injected and especially boosted ones (Ecoboost)that haven’t had catch cans installed.Ford has pretty much acknowledged there is an issue with valve coking or they wouldn’t have redesigned the Ecoboost engines with dual injection (port and direct) on 2018 and up. I was told that the port injection is mainly used for washing the intake valves on these new engines.The only baffling part is why didn’t Ford use a catch can for the fix instead of port injection? A catch can also saves the innercooler.Maybe they don’t want them to last forever?

Where has Ford made this acknowledgment? A link if you please. While port injection does help with keeping the valves cleaner that’s not the reason they added it to the new motors. They did it because they can make more power and be more efficient with both forms of injection.

Here is a quote for you from the guy that designed those engines

“Peter Dowding, Ford’s chief engineer of powertrain gasoline systems, revealed a different strategy. Ford uses PI alone at idle and at low rpm for smooth, quiet, and efficient engine operation. As rpm and load increase, fuel delivery becomes a programmed blend of PI and DI. In contrast to Toyota’s methodology, Ford’s PI is always operating, responsible for at least 5 to 10 percent of the fuel delivery.

Dowding and his Ford engineering colleague Stephen Russ stress that carbon deposits on tailpipes and intake valves have never been an issue in their DI engines. Dowding adds: “Now that electric motors are being assigned increasing propulsion roles, our task is to improve engine efficiency whenever we can. Ford’s dual-fuel technology has already proven to be a valuable, cost-effective strategy in this effort.”

Catch cans are a maintenance item that’s why they’ll never be installed from the factory. A huge majority of the driving population buys a car and drives it till it breaks, Hardly ever doing necessary maintenance. People try to go 10-20k or more miles without changing their oil. You think they’re gonna remember to empty a catch can every couple of thousand miles? That’s why engines use Pcv systems. So that crap will just get recirculated and burned up.

I’m a little confused, is the ‘18 completely immune to this issue?

The question being is there really an issue? I don’t think so. But no the 18 is not immune. Port injection will help but that’s only for the valves. Without a catch can oil is still going to coat everything before that like the intake, intercooler, various hoses etc. A catch can will collect all that before it makes its way back through all those parts.

 

[Boostedbus]

Curious.....if thats 1500 miles, won't this eventually show up as low oil indicated on the dipstick? And that oil loss is with or without a catch can.

Would you say thats about 1/2 cup?

Where has Ford made this acknowledgment? A link if you please. While port injection does help with keeping the valves cleaner that’s not the reason they added it to the new motors. They did it because they can make more power and be more efficient with both forms of injection.

Here is a quote for you from the guy that designed those engines

“Peter Dowding, Ford’s chief engineer of powertrain gasoline systems, revealed a different strategy. Ford uses PI alone at idle and at low rpm for smooth, quiet, and efficient engine operation. As rpm and load increase, fuel delivery becomes a programmed blend of PI and DI. In contrast to Toyota’s methodology, Ford’s PI is always operating, responsible for at least 5 to 10 percent of the fuel delivery.

Dowding and his Ford engineering colleague Stephen Russ stress that carbon deposits on tailpipes and intake valves have never been an issue in their DI engines. Dowding adds: “Now that electric motors are being assigned increasing propulsion roles, our task is to improve engine efficiency whenever we can. Ford’s dual-fuel technology has already proven to be a valuable, cost-effective strategy in this effort.”

Catch cans are a maintenance item that’s why they’ll never be installed from the factory. A huge majority of the driving population buys a car and drives it till it breaks, Hardly ever doing necessary maintenance. People try to go 10-20k or more miles without changing their oil. You think they’re gonna remember to empty a catch can every couple of thousand miles? That’s why engines use Pcv systems. So that crap will just get recirculated and burned up.



The question being is there really an issue? I don’t think so. But no the 18 is not immune. Port injection will help but that’s only for the valves. Without a catch can oil is still going to coat everything before that like the intake, intercooler, various hoses etc. A catch can will collect all that before it makes its way back through all those parts.

catch cans are a Mantainance item? Changing out cylinder heads because valves are coked isn’t a maintenance item?even if they do or did come up with a fool proof way to do induction flush without harming turbos , isn’t that a maintenance item? Not buying it.

 

[edizzle]

catch cans are a Mantainance item? Changing out cylinder heads because valves are coked isn’t a maintenance item?even if they do or did come up with a fool proof way to do induction flush without harming turbos , isn’t that a maintenance item? Not buying it.

At 100,000+ miles? Nope, that isn’t maintenance.

 

[Boostedbus]

catch cans are a Mantainance item? Changing out cylinder heads because valves are coked isn’t a maintenance item?even if they do or did come up with a fool proof way to do induction flush without harming turbos , isn’t that a maintenance item? Not buying it.

When I said Ford has “pretty much acknowledged it” that was my opinion. If it wasn’t my opinion and I was claiming to be stating hard facts I wouldn’t have said pretty much in the same sentence! GET IT?

 

[Boostedbus]

At 100,000+ miles? Nope, that isn’t maintenance.

There is a YouTube video of the 2.0 L Ecoboost with coked valves at 20 couple thousand miles. You’re right it’s not Mantainance... it’s major repairs.

 

[07xln]

catch cans are a Mantainance item? Changing out cylinder heads because valves are coked isn’t a maintenance item?even if they do or did come up with a fool proof way to do induction flush without harming turbos , isn’t that a maintenance item? Not buying it.

I don’t understand any of what you said. You’re not buying what??? Changing cylinder heads, induction flushes??? What are you talking about.

How can you say a container that fills up with used engine oil over time and that could over flow and back fill into the engine causing catastrophic engine damage unless it is periodically drained not be a maintenance item? You can’t be serious. That’s like saying you don’t really ever have to change your engine oil


People don’t swap cylinder heads when their valves get dirty. The valves aren’t broken, the heads aren’t broken or cracked. Coked valves won’t stop working, the over all engine performance will simply diminish and not even enough for most people to even notice. Induction flushes are simply money making schemes. There’s no real proof they even work.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Curious.....if thats 1500 miles, won't this eventually show up as low oil indicated on the dipstick? And that oil loss is with or without a catch can.

Would you say thats about 1/2 cup?

I’d love to hear the answer to this from you guys in the know?


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[07xln]

When I said Ford has “pretty much acknowledged it” that was my opinion. If it wasn’t my opinion and I was claiming to be stating hard facts I wouldn’t have said pretty much in the same sentence! GET IT?

You need to go back to English class my friend and learn proper use of the English language. How are you gonna claim Ford has validated or legitimized something then turn around and say it was only your opinion. To validate or legitimize something is making it fact.

ac·knowl·edged
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adjective

1. recognized as being good or important.
   • accepted as valid or legitimate.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

 

[07xln]

I’d love to hear the answer to this from you guys in the know?


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4 cups to a quart. 1/2 a cup over 1500 miles. So figure 12000 miles and he may be a quart low. I think that’s a perfectly acceptable amount of loss. Seeing as how most folks around here don’t even go half that distance between oil changes. I don’t see an issue and doubt it would ever show low on the dipstick.

 

[Boostedbus]

I don’t understand any of what you said. You’re not buying what??? Changing cylinder heads, induction flushes??? What are you talking about.

How can you say a container that fills up with used engine oil over time and that could over flow and back fill into the engine causing catastrophic engine damage unless it is periodically drained not be a maintenance item? You can’t be serious. That’s like saying you don’t really ever have to change your engine oil


People don’t swap cylinder heads when their valves get dirty. The valves aren’t broken, the heads aren’t broken or cracked. Coked valves won’t stop working, the over all engine performance will simply diminish and not even enough for most people to even notice. Induction flushes are simply money making schemes. There’s no real proof they even work.

WOW! I started this thread just to see some pics of catch can locations. Not to argue whether catch cans are needed or if valve coking is real or whether or not Ford thinks, knows, or even gives a flying f@$k about it , all I wanted was to see where people were putting there cans.
My opinions are just that “ my opinions” You don’t have to agree with them. It’s ok

 

[Boostedbus]

You need to go back to English class my friend and learn proper use of the English language. How are you gonna claim Ford has validated or legitimized something then turn around and say it was only your opinion. To validate or legitimize something is making it fact.

ac·knowl·edged
əkˈnäləjd/
adjective

1. recognized as being good or important.
   • accepted as valid or legitimate.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

 

[07xln]

Yeah and it may become a thing in the future to the masses to not buy a used direct injected and especially boosted ones (Ecoboost)that haven’t had catch cans installed.Ford has pretty much acknowledged there is an issue with valve coking or they wouldn’t have redesigned the Ecoboost engines with dual injection (port and direct) on 2018 and up. I was told that the port injection is mainly used for washing the intake valves on these new engines.The only baffling part is why didn’t Ford use a catch can for the fix instead of port injection? A catch can also saves the innercooler.Maybe they don’t want them to last forever?

2017 F150’s and 2018 Expys have 2nd gen 3.5 Ecoboost engines with dual injection. So the answer is yes but the jury is still out if the port injection is going to 100 percent solve the problem. I’ve been told they only spray port injectors intermittently to wash the intake valves. So the valves will still be hotter than normal which allows the oily vapors to still bake on.

WOW! I started this thread just to see some pics of catch can locations. Not to argue whether catch cans are needed or if valve coking is real or whether or not Ford thinks, knows, or even gives a flying f@$k about it , all I wanted was to see where people were putting there cans.
My opinions are just that “ my opinions” You don’t have to agree with them. It’s ok

Then you shouldn’t have made false claims about what “Ford pretty much acknowledged” and you wouldn’t find yourself in an argument. You started it with your posts not me

Good on you for getting a catch can. Your engine will thank you for it. But do me a favor and never maintain it and come back on here and let us know when your engine blows. I won’t be to hard on you I promise

 

[Boostedbus]

Then you shouldn’t have made false claims about what “Ford pretty much acknowledged” and you wouldn’t find yourself in an argument. You started it with your posts not me

Good on you for getting a catch can. Your engine will thank you for it. But do me a favor and never maintain it and come back on here and let us know when your engine blows. I won’t be to hard on you I promise

Yeah ok you’re right

 

[J Ski]

Curious.....if thats 1500 miles, won't this eventually show up as low oil indicated on the dipstick? And that oil loss is with or without a catch can.

Would you say thats about 1/2 cup?

Wel seeing as how what’s collected is not all oil and seeing that I have 3500 mile oil changes it’s not significant enough to show up on a dipstick... all I know is the MAP sensor on top of the manifold which controls air to fuel ratios and what not is as clean as it was the day I installed the can so obviously it’s not being coated in all that shit that’s being collected so the can is doing it’s job