Rear Air suspension issue...

[K-Clive]

2012 Expedition Max EL
Rear suspension is not leveling with trailer tongue weight?
I was wondering how to test?
I checked the power distribution box &:
Relay #10 missing
Fuse #48 30amp missing
Fuse #19 60amp missing
Fuse #53 10amp missing

Hmmm...
wonder what the problem is here?

 

[K-Clive]

Hmmm...?
Maybe this air bag setup is already replaced with springs setup?
How do I know if the airbags are still in place?

I could manually fill the bags when needed?
Anybody done this? Shrader valve etc.?

 

[K-Clive]

Under the EPXY and no airbags - Oops
I thought these came with the tow package - my mistake and now I anm not happy with my choice.
It's a bit loosey goosey with the trailer and some tongue weight on it.
Has anyone put stiffer springs on a MAX standard suspension to make it a better trailer hauler?

 

[K-Clive]

I found the receipt for new rear shocks July 28th 2020 p/n ASH-12293 so, I have no load level air suspension.
Can we I get stiffer springs to help the ride height and tongue weight etc.?

 

[JasonH]

Try Load D or E tires and higher psi. The rear felt much more planted when I made this change. Some local tire shops will let you change the tires if you're not happy.

 

[mjp2]

I found the receipt for new rear shocks July 28th 2020 p/n ASH-12293 so, I have no load level air suspension.
Can we I get stiffer springs to help the ride height and tongue weight etc.?

Regarding bounciness, Bilstein shocks will help. 4600s for stock height, 5100s for height-adjustability. Note that you'll need to scavenge parts from the stock shocks, including spring seats, isolators, and the coils themselves.

If the ride height is also an issue you can have custom springs made. I ordered through https://coilsprings.com/ and am very happy with the results. My spec was +700# Trailer Tongue Weight, +20% Rate Increase, +1" ride height.

Mounted to Bilstein 5100s on my EL. It rides great when towing, acceptably smooth when unloaded, and easily clears 35" tires. Cost was very reasonable.

It was a driveway install. About 2 hours to assemble and install both rear shocks with the coils but I have air tools, a spring compressor, and a solid familiarity with the truck.

 

[K-Clive]

Thank you!

I will be doing something like this, not in my driveway, I don't have the tools.
Looks like the way to go in my case.

Thanks for good info.

Cheers

 

[JasonH]

Thank you!

I will be doing something like this, not in my driveway, I don't have the tools.
Looks like the way to go in my case.

Thanks for good info.

Cheers

It can be done with conventional tools, just need a spring compressor and maybe an electric impact driver. That's what I used to get mine done. The impact driver is useful for compressing the spring and removing the top hat, but it can be done with a breaker bar as well.

 

[K-Clive]

For now, I am putting some SUMO type things in the rear springs to help out while I figure out what next.
Thanks for the info - I don't have a spring compressor, I do have an electric impact driver. Not sure about the breaker bar technique?

 

[JasonH]

For now, I am putting some SUMO type things in the rear springs to help out while I figure out what next.
Thanks for the info - I don't have a spring compressor, I do have an electric impact driver. Not sure about the breaker bar technique?

The breaker bar is used to drive the long threaded bolts on the spring compressor. As you can imagine, the spring has a lot of tension so the bolts get progressively more difficult to turn. An impact or breaker bar makes compressing the springs much easier. The compressors aren't expensive. I've had a set like the ones below for years.

 

[K-Clive]

Thanks Jason

Your info is really appreciated, I will look for these

Cheers Clive

 

[BlackBetty]

I didn’t like how my 2016 EL with tow package sat with my approximately 3500lbs rv with w/d hitch. Ended up getting the Sumo Springs for Coils.
Was kinda worried that the truck would ride hard with them installed. However, I’ve not noticed a difference. Also, have not pulled the rv since installing. Of course, the idea is for the truck to not sag from the weight of the rv with them installed. I understand the theory behind it. However, ready to see it with my own eyes.

 

[K-Clive]

Hi ALL

I talked to BILSTEIN and they don't agree with 5100 for the 2012 MAX - they have 4600 regular non-adjustable.
Sooo... not sure how to proceed? Does anyone have the 5100 part number that will work for me?

PIC is my loaded MAX with trailer and the butt is saggy... it is 1" low when empty and when loaded, it looks whacky
I could use 2" lift and I found the STAGE3 company has a lift 2" thatmight work but it is a set 3" front and 2" rear

03-17 Ford Expedition ReadyLift 3" Front & 2" Rear SST Spacer Lift Kit

www.stage3motorsports.com

I'm asking them if I can get the rear only setup?

Please advise!

Cheers Clive

 

[K-Clive]

Is there really much difference between the GEN3 and GEN4 Expedition
I can get GEN4 Bilstein 5100 shocks - if they will fit OK I will go with those

Anybody want to chime in?

Cheers

 

[JasonH]

Is there really much difference between the GEN3 and GEN4 Expedition
I can get GEN4 Bilstein 5100 shocks - if they will fit OK I will go with those

Anybody want to chime in?

Cheers

Try checking Ford part numbers for compatibility. If the part numbers are the same, the aftermarket part should work with either generation. Also, for the trailer, check the height of your ball. For my hitch, the top of the trailer ball receiver had to be positioned within 1" of the top of the ball. If the ball is not positioned correctly, you'll need a hitch that allows you to adjust the ball up or down as needed. It's difficult to tell from the photo, but it looks like the ball may be too high for the trailer ball receiver. If you drop it a little lower, it may reduce the sag.

 

[mjp2]

Is there really much difference between the GEN3 and GEN4 Expedition
I can get GEN4 Bilstein 5100 shocks - if they will fit OK I will go with those

Anybody want to chime in?

Cheers

PM'ed you

 

[K-Clive]

I bought this trailer 2016 Starcraft 28BHS and drove for 8hrs
It came with a load leveling hitch and weighs about 6000lbs
Seems OK on tow... Waiting for my Bilstein 5100 to arrive from ESSEX Canada