I had the same sort of problem with Jeep GC lug nuts, but only after say 125K. A local Firestone store tech cranked them down to 210-240 ft/lbs. (versus the light 110 factory spec) on the 2012 Jeep GC we gave our daughter. Also there was general impact wrench damage to the extent that the store manager bought 11 new ones--these were too long and too heavy so I bought a complete set of Gorillas online and gave the partial set back. During back and forth discussions, I discovered that the Firestone service manager did not know how to determine that lug nuts were overtightened using a common "clicker" type torque wrench. The store manager knew how to slowly click up to the overtighten amount using a "clicker" and confirmed the above numbers, but the staff apparently had not been trained. At later visit, I barely stepped into the service area and did (back at a safe distance) a been there, done that, older guy training session for the service manager and the young techs. Earlier the service manager was throwing all sorts of insults my way---told him, "Hey, I learned how to properly use a torque wrench 20 years before you were born". Bottom line is that the good factory 7/8" lug Jeep GC lug nuts can fail too with mistreatment---but from much experience with two Jeep GCs, they are way more durable than the above total iffy Ford Expedition jobs.
Swollen Lug Nuts - Recommended Replacement?
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Seeing different part numbers referenced in some of these chains about Gorilla lug nuts, I did my own research and also ordered the PN 61148CX set of 24 (thank you @Speedboosted as I couldn't find a better price than your EBay link). According to this page on the Gorilla website, this is the "factory style bulge" PN and can be had with different variations. The 61148CX is chrome and with factory 21mm (13/16") hex head.
https://www.gorilla-auto.com/lug-nuts-page-09
On their home page for lug nuts, they explain the styles, and say Acorn is for steel wheels, and Acorn Bulge is for steel and aluminum. Be careful with product families as you choose.
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Rtorres001
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Just ordered a complete set of replacement lug nuts for my 2018 Expy. Link is below from Amazon. I was rotating my tires and came across the 'swollen nut' syndrome! Scared the crap out of me at first - thought I spun the stud - torque on these lug nuts is 150 ft/lbs. and it spun around 110 ft/lbs; but researched it and found it is a common problem with the exterior plating on the lug nuts. - Good luck.
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5280tunage
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I went ahead and did the wheel locks. At this point anything not "secured down" these days seems to be fair game for those that don't want to pay for what they have. You see the news about folks stealing tail lights? Doesn't surprise me given how expensive mine was to replace 6 months into ownership (thank god under warranty). I used Gorilla part number 71644N for the whole kit. Wasn't bad, got a good deal on good ol' amazon.
Just don't forget, if you replace your lug nuts, make sure you double check torque 50-100 miles after install.
Just don't forget, if you replace your lug nuts, make sure you double check torque 50-100 miles after install.
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Edit: I screwed up here, so i just wanted to let everyone know. I got nervous about the Acorn vs. Bulge Acorn thing, called Gorilla and was told this won't work, or at least likely wouldn't be safe. The two parts they directed me to were part numbers 61148fs (qty20) and 96641dx for the set of four locks. Glad I checked, best pricing I found was on eBay.
Tonka
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Man I had never heard of this either, but the last time I got my tires balanced and rotated he told me some of mine were starting to swell and it’s time to replace the nuts.
sliderz71
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Does anyone have the correct part number for Gorilla all black non-locking lugs? I have a '22 Expy Max SPP with the 22" inch wheels.
61148FSBC should be the one for black
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Ford says those are M14 x 1.5, so one of the 61148 variations would work.
24pc Gorilla Factory Style Bulge Acorn Black Lug Nuts 14mm x 1.5 61148BCX | eBay
Lug Nuts are ordered in bulk and separated into quanitity listed. 24 NEW GORILLA 14mm x 1.5 EXTRA LARGE BULGE ACORN SEAT FACTORY STYLE BLACK WHEEL LUG NUTS. Bulge Acorn - Extra Large 60 Degree Conical Seat.
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Same size lugs according to Ford.
Glad you checked, @5280tunage . As I mentioned in Post #22, people can get a set of 24 with Gorilla PN 61148CX.
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My dad's '09 F150 developed this issue a couple of years ago and we replaced with Dorman. Here in Mississippi we don't have salt and it doesn't get crazy cold. I always figured the "swelling" was from the repeated beatings and over-torquing with an air gun by folks rotating and replacing the tires, but it may be a combination of things. The lack of salt and lower temps may also explain why his went about 10 years and 150k miles before needing replacing. I had a Dodge Ram from the 90's that had the same issue.
I will say remember to check the lug nut size and make sure they are the same. Often it's different and the factory lug wrench may not work. I want to say my dad's was the same, but I know I had to buy a 4-way to keep in the Dodge.
I will say remember to check the lug nut size and make sure they are the same. Often it's different and the factory lug wrench may not work. I want to say my dad's was the same, but I know I had to buy a 4-way to keep in the Dodge.
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Based on this thread, I ordered a 20 pack of 61148BCX and the locking kit 96641BDX to replace my new Timberline lugs. I was surprised they didn't put black lugs on those rims anyways, and after reading about all the issues here it's going to be the first thing I do with my new truck. Thanks for all the guidance everyone has given here!
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Wise move. I figured I would do it "later" and discovered they were all swollen with a total flat in the dead of winter on an NPS snow-covered road. The tow company had previously had negative dealings with NPS and did not want to travel on their property out of fear of getting fined. Moreover, the only access road that was open had a bridge for which the flatbed exceeded the weight limit (another fine if they did it and got caught). Ultimately, the tow company wouldn't come to me and I had to drive several miles on a flat in the snow. My rim semi-survived with a small crack that produced a slow leak. I ended up replacing the entire rim when I got 4 new tires several months later.
I went with some black spline lug nuts and have no complaints.
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Had a ReadyLift 1.5/2 lift and Falken Wildpeak 295/70R18s installed. Also had them replace the lugs with some black splines.
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What Have You Done to Your 4th Gen This Week?
Had a ReadyLift 1.5/2 lift and Falken Wildpeak 295/70R18s installed. Also had them replace the lugs with some black splines.
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Update: My 20 pack of 61148BCX and the locking kit 96641BDX arrived yesterday and I used the opportunity to go buy a new tool from Harbor Freight. I grew up with my dad having a massive air tank & compressor to drive an air gun. He works on cars far more than I, so I just got a 20v impact gun for $65. It's amazing how good that tech has become.
Here's a comparison of what came off my Timberline:
My replacement Lugs don't have that lip between the 60* taper and the nut. Do we think that's an issue or is this OK?
Here's a comparison of what came off my Timberline:
My replacement Lugs don't have that lip between the 60* taper and the nut. Do we think that's an issue or is this OK?
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