Third Cam Phaser

[mindini36]

Hello out there.

I have a 2018 Ford Expedition Max Limited. We purchased the car in 2020 with approx 50k miles on it. At 52K miles the Cam Phasers were replaced due to a recall. Fast forward to today.. with 95K miles we were told the Cam Phasers were throwing an error and of course are 4 months out of warranty. Has anyone else had to replace their Cam Phasers a SECOND time?
Full disclosure - we have a Tune on the Expo and have upgraded both the inter cooler and the air intake. I do have fun with the extra HP .. not sure that would matter .. but felt the need to mention.

 

[Squark]

I’ve had them replaced twice. The first time was before they did the major redesign of the phasers, and those failed in about a year. The second time used the newest part number. So far so good, but it’s only been a few months.

 

[mindini36]

Mine were supposed to have been replaced with the new version. But 45k miles later we are getting an code for them. I have noticed a little shudder when driving. It is just extremely frustrating that they have to be replaced a second time.

 

[5280tunage]

There are several folks on here that, as your post title sounds like, have actually required three or more phaser replacements. Presumably before the redesign, but I'm not sure I truly believe in that either. I mean Ford essentially just guaranteed huge future services revenue by send us all letters saying you need to replace this, and after such and such time it will no longer be covered by any warranty .

 

[mindini36]

Sounds exactly like what is going on. Considering we got the new design and it didn’t last 50k miles. It is really disappointing. I moved from the Infiniti QX56 which I was planning on driving until it died and it had no issues with 140K miles on it. To this …. Sucks. But I do love the expo…

 

[Gumby]

Yeah, mine were done 3 times...

 

[armoredsaint]

I had my first replacement a month ago and it sounds like crap after a month later. Wastegate issues and loud valves

 

[SyndicateZ]

I had my first replacement a month ago and it sounds like crap after a month later. Wastegate issues and loud valves

Same! My cold start wastegate rattle is much worse weirdly immediately after my phaser replacement. The rattle is even present when I blip the gas on accell and decell (had the exhaust/heat shields checked and not that) Its so embarrassing. The engine is also quiet one second then it would sound louder the next and you can hear the metallic knocks/valves etc.. This will be my last Ford. I knew once the engine is opened up and some random noob ford mechanic is working on it it all eventually goes to crap soon after and when you bring this stuff up you are told "thats normal sounds" Yea... BS!

 

[3rd Expyowner123]

Had my 2018 Cam Phasers replaced 2nd time at 74k miles. I purchased an extended Ford warranty on my truck when new. The repair was covered under warranty. Interestingly, the service invoice shows that a different prefix part number was used for the phasers, which appear to correspond to 2021 F-150 3.5L engine. Have not had the opportunity to ask my dealer regarding the part number. My truck is running well and is quiet on start up.

 

[SyndicateZ]

Had my 2018 Cam Phasers replaced 2nd time at 74k miles. I purchased an extended Ford warranty on my truck when new. The repair was covered under warranty. Interestingly, the service invoice shows that a different prefix part number was used for the phasers, which appear to correspond to 2021 F-150 3.5L engine. Have not had the opportunity to ask my dealer regarding the part number. My truck is running well and is quiet on start up.

Might be the New Upgraded style phasers that will last much longer or forever....

 

[3rd Expyowner123]

I sure hope so!

 

[Bmanxx13]

I get my truck back this Friday for it's second cam phaser replacement. I told my advisor to make sure the new phasers that Ford released are installed... Hopefully they listened. As for the wastegate rattle, I'm going to try this fix: https://www.f150forum.com/f118/3-5-wastegate-rattle-fixed-507919/

 

[mindini36]

Do any of you have a tune on your truck? We are having the Cam phasers replaced obviously and also the timing chain is stretched. We got some performance part upgrades but the phasers are the supposedly “new” ones for the second time. I am not feeling optimistic that this will be the last time we replace. Sadly. I just love the car so I won’t be selling it anytime soon.

 

[BMW2FORD]

I'm on my 4th set and have a 2018 Max Limited. The newest style that really look to be an updated part didn't come out until about 5-6 months ago. I don't see how a tune or any modifications could hurt a poorly designed phaser so I'd call Ford corporate and place a concern that you feel you should have the newest installed after you get some facts like part numbers together to support it. There's a bunch of YouTube videos showing how different the newest style is which Ford really should have done from the start of the recall or had been more honest that its not a one time only and more was to come. There's also videos how to see if you have the newer billet looking type by seeing into the engine via the Oil fill cap. I think the YouTuber ForTechMakuloco has that one posted. My experience with Ford corporate is to be kind, have your facts and get ready to repeat it 15 times over the course of a month or also see if you can talk to a Service Manager at a dealer that will support you and they can also advocate to Ford while you have an open claim with them to get the repair partially or fully covered. Good luck to you and hope they step up.

 

[Hellwig]

I'm on my 4th set and have a 2018 Max Limited. The newest style that really look to be an updated part didn't come out until about 5-6 months ago. I don't see how a tune or any modifications could hurt a poorly designed phaser so I'd call Ford corporate and place a concern that you feel you should have the newest installed after you get some facts like part numbers together to support it. There's a bunch of YouTube videos showing how different the newest style is which Ford really should have done from the start of the recall or had been more honest that its not a one time only and more was to come. There's also videos how to see if you have the newer billet looking type by seeing into the engine via the Oil fill cap. I think the YouTuber ForTechMakuloco has that one posted. My experience with Ford corporate is to be kind, have your facts and get ready to repeat it 15 times over the course of a month or also see if you can talk to a Service Manager at a dealer that will support you and they can also advocate to Ford while you have an open claim with them to get the repair partially or fully covered. Good luck to you and hope they step up.

Vert informative video from Youtuber ForTechMakuloco. Thank you very much.

 

[Malanis21]

Anyone knows if the new upgraded phasers starting with the 'M' part number will fix the issue? some with experience of replacing w/ 'M' part number? I'm on the fence on getting the 3rd replacement done at 64k miles on 2018 and concern it won't fix the issue 'forever' the reprograming they did last yr made the rattle become a rattle + knocking (diesel type) noise at cold startups. Plus waiting for ford to help with some of the cost, their first bid was only 40%!!! ridiculous!!

 

[SyndicateZ]

Class action lawsuit please.

 

[Bmac1955]

The prefix starting with rather than H seems to be likely newer design. I had a additional post with the updated phasers numbers. I had my phasers done in 11/ 21 upon purchase at 35k on my vehicle. A bit PO'd that the phasers replaced were of the old part number. I have the oil and Filter changed at 6 month intervals. At this point in time I have 41k on the vehicle. Maintenance I believe is the key and I also flood start it every 1st start in the AM. I also bought Ford Protect warranty. Who knows what could possibly develope during ownership. But will be covered.

 

[Deadman]

They put 6 sets in my wife 2018 Navigator before 25,000 miles. Then they threw a new engine in it.....

 

[Malanis21]

Thanks all, I’m having them guarantee that they use the latest phasers with letter ‘M’ if they can’t do that then time for trade in