Would be nice to see this in a 2022 Expedition for the ones who would like a V8

[Flight-ER-Doc]

I'm very happy with my 2015 Expy Max/EL... 90k miles on it so far, Ecoboost engine. I get around 20mpg on the road, 18 towing a 6k trailer.

But I'd REALLY like a body on frame Expy, with a diesel engine...

 

[JasonH]

I'm very happy with my 2015 Expy Max/EL... 90k miles on it so far, Ecoboost engine. I get around 20mpg on the road, 18 towing a 6k trailer.

But I'd REALLY like a body on frame Expy, with a diesel engine...

So basically you want the Excursion 7.3 back. I'm honestly surprised Ford hasn't brought them back yet. There are many people clamoring for improved payload in an SUV, especially with RV sales being up due to Covid. The 7.3 gas and 6.7 would both be viable engine options, especially a 7.3 with Powerboost since it can provide power without a shore connection.

The Expedition IS Body on Frame. The body is bolted to a modified F150 frame. But Ford's 3.0 diesel is much weaker than the 3.5 Turbo. The 6.7 would be overkill, with all the additional weight up front. The only benefit of a diesel would be improved mpg, but it wouldn't be enough to make up the cost difference within a reasonable period of time. For more power, the existing 3.5 block supposedly is good up to like 600hp.

 

[Machete]

oh oh....diesel vs gas....lets not go there. Diesel has already won that argument in the truck, shipping, yachting world. Perhaps not for soccer mom wagons though, but if youre hauling loads...or need highway mpg you can't beat diesel. They are ruining diesel motors with all the emissions add ons for sure.

 

[JExpedition07]

The modern gas V8 are pretty darn good in the trucks. The diesel for sure has benefits of towing efficiency and torque, but for most jobs even the gas engines are overkill.

 

[JasonH]

oh oh....diesel vs gas....lets not go there. Diesel has already won that argument in the truck, shipping, yachting world. Perhaps not for soccer mom wagons though, but if youre hauling loads...or need highway mpg you can't beat diesel. They are ruining diesel motors with all the emissions add ons for sure.

As I said, Ford came out with the 7.3 gas because the diesel is overkill in many applications. The 7.3 is rated to tow up to 15K. I wouldn't want to be at max all the time, but from all accounts it's a great engine in the 10 to 15K space. The 6.7 diesel is a 10K upcharge. With the higher cost of diesel, it takes a long time to make up the difference at the pump. Resale is higher, surely, but so are potential maintenance and repair expenses. And I'd rather not choke on NOx and diesel particulates, thanks. Emissions controls FTW. I lived in the San Joaquin Valley for two years. The air was so filthy coming down the Grapevine that you could see the layer of smog and dust as you descended into the valley. It was disgusting, appalling, and saddening, at the same time.

 

[Thunderbirdsport]

Ummm...what about locomotives.

They're electric, of course diesel engines run the generators (or alternators, not sure if the electric motors are AC or DC in that application..)...

And they move far heavier loads than any other vehicle, that I can think of..

 

[Alex Taylor]

Yes would love a v8 option in the Expedition. I plan on tuning mine soon to get it to 500 HP, 570 tq. but still prefer V8's despite the great motor that is the 3.5L Ecoboost.

 

[Machete]

Ummm...what about locomotives.

They're electric, of course diesel engines run the generators (or alternators, not sure if the electric motors are AC or DC in that application..)...

And they move far heavier loads than any other vehicle, that I can think of..

There’s a reason Ford has gone back to v8 pushrod gas engines in their trucks. Also note they went big displacement on both 6.8 and 7.3. These aren’t tweeny v6’s nor small v8 like the 5-oh for that matter.

Those v6 ecoboost models are going to drop in value soon as that f150 features the 6.8.

 

[Thunderbirdsport]

So basically you want the Excursion 7.3 back..

It's got me wanting to find an '05 Excursion with the V10, and just garage it till the 7.3 can be found in a wrecked Super Duty.

I think you know where I'm going here...


Physically, the 7.3 gas engine will bolt in place of the V10, a 5.4, 4.6, or pretty much any variation of the Modular engines. So I was told.

We shall see....

 

[Machete]

It's got me wanting to find an '05 Excursion with the V10, and just garage it till the 7.3 can be found in a wrecked Super Duty.

I think you know where I'm going here...


Physically, the 7.3 gas engine will bolt in place of the V10, a 5.4, 4.6, or pretty much any variation of the Modular engines. So I was told.

We shall see....

Who would buy a new Excursion w a 7.3 Godzilla???

...besides me

I’d run to the front of that line.

 

[JasonH]

It's got me wanting to find an '05 Excursion with the V10, and just garage it till the 7.3 can be found in a wrecked Super Duty.

I think you know where I'm going here...


Physically, the 7.3 gas engine will bolt in place of the V10, a 5.4, 4.6, or pretty much any variation of the Modular engines. So I was told.

We shall see....

The 7.3 Godzilla engine is available as a crate motor. No need to wait.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-73

 

[vincentrose]

Pretty sad when you cant get a V8 Engine in the Expy. Both Chevy and Dodge offer V8's in their SUVs, but Ford has to be the odd ball, and not even offer it in theirs

 

[JamaicaJoe]

The leftover 5.0s would work in the expy. Everything mentioned above is spot on. I do think however, a v8 option would add a huge base for the expy and would actually do wonders in bringing larger segment share as its the only segment product without that option. Most people would prefer the expy over the gms(before redesign) but disregarded it for not having a v8 opt. A no/low cost 5.0 option with 9k towing and 15 city 22 hwy econ in 4wd set up I think would nearly double sales of the expy.

I am in the market for a new Expy and the V6 Turbo does not appeal to me. These downsized turbo engines will require major service to make it to 150K miles. Even a poorly maintained V8 will outlast that by 100K.

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[JExpedition07]

You’d be surprised many EcoBoosts go 200k+ they are pretty good these days. I still like my 5.4 Triton, almost 180k miles and the inside was clean as a whistle when I did the timing components in spring. Still gets 14 MPG around town. These cast iron modular V8’s are tough to beat over the long haul besides the front end woes

 

[Thunderbirdsport]

Who would buy a new Excursion w a 7.3 Godzilla???

...besides me

I’d run to the front of that line.

I'll race ya to it!

(this race gonna be on foot or do we get to use our own vehicles?)

 

[Aspen03]

A godzilla would be an interesting swap into a 2nd or 3rd gen. Wonder how difficult it would be to get the electronics and everything tuned and running well. It would breathe a totally different kind if life into one w the power that it makes.

An F250 weighing 1500lbs more than a 2020 expedition and being able to squeeze 15-16mpg in the real world is quite good. I imagine an expy could see 18 from the weight difference and most everyone i know would be fairly happy w that in an 8 passenger vehicle. I don't know anyone w an ecoboost expy that does better than 19-20 on a regular basis. For the more simple design and likely lower long term costs it would be the obvious choice if available in a new expy

 

[JExpedition07]

Part of the 7.3 magic is the 10R140, but agreed super duty owners have been reporting impressive numbers

 

[powerboatr]

The 7.3 Godzilla engine is available as a crate motor. No need to wait.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-73

marine upfitters are lining up

 

[Thunderbirdsport]

Getting a standalone to run the engine/trans is the easy bit....

Getting that to communicate with the vehicle's systems is a whole different beast. I'm not THAT kind of a mechanic....being elbows deep in an old school 5.0 and knowing that old Windsor and Mustang stuff is my forte, engine swaps into vehicles with CANBUS is not.

But I stand by what I said. If I can get a 7.3 and 10 speed for under 10K, I'd seriously invest in the swap. Probably be better to start with a 5.4 truck though, likely the Ecoboost versions have much quite a bit different layouts in terms of fuel lines, mounts, and I'm not sure without searching if they use the same trans bell pattern.
I DO know the 7.3 is the same as all other mod engines in that aspect. I'm also told that it will bolt right into a vehicle with a Coyote. Mount locations are pretty similar.

I want to do it. Throw a roots on top and watch the world turn under the tires when you hit the fun pedal.