Popping Noise From Rear A/C Blower '03 Expo

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Well, just finished taking about my rear quarter panel, still putting it back together.

Basically, the motor that controls the door that decides which way the air goes (roof or floor) is bad. Well, not the motor, but one of the gears. It's the same exact motor that is used for the temperature blend door, so I'm not surprised that fails, as well.

So, as a temp fix, I "set" it to where the door would remain for roof air only, and disconnected it. I'll be looking for a replacement one at a junkyard or something. You can get one new from rockauto.com for 39, though WhiteFX4 said he got his from the dealer for 35.

I'll post instructions on how to take off the rear quarter panel later, as well as some (crappy) pix. I'm also going to try and see if the motor is accessible by taking out the cup holder. Would probably save a lot of time doing it that way.
 

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Here's the crappy pix.

Rear panel off, two blend door motors circled in red. Picture is flipped, so this was all on the passenger side of the Expy. The top red circle is the door that decides which way the air goes, while the lower one is the air temp blend door.
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Here's the motor with the cover off. The bottom, black gear was the one that had a couple teeth missing.
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Crappy closeup of the bad gear. It's 2 gears in 1: a bigger, flatter gear, radius of about a pencil eraser, and a smaller, taller gear, with a diameter of a pencil eraser. The smaller gear (the bluish looking blob) is the one with missing teeth)
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I tried trying accessing the motor though the cup holder hole (left after you take it out) once I put everything back in place, but you can't fit a ratchet in there to take out the holding screws of the motor. The best you could do is disconnect the temp blend door motor, and maybe the air direct motor. So, it seems you really do have to take out the whole rear panel if you want to replace both motors.

Either way, as a temp fix, I took off the cover of the air direct motor, and set it to where the door would be in the roof vent setting, closed it, and left it disconnected. Since it uses a worm gear, the motor doesn't let door move, unless the motor is spinning.

According to rockauto.com, these cars use the same door motor, so I guess if you wanna look around a junk yard for these, you could take the motors out:
FORD--EXPEDITION--(2002 - 2004)
FORD--EXPLORER--(1998 - 2002)
FORD--EXPLORER SPORT--(2001 - 2003)
FORD--EXPLORER SPORT TRAC--(2001 - 2005)
FORD--RANGER--(1998 - 2004)
FORD--RANGER EDGE--2005
FORD--RANGER FX4--(2005 - 2007)
FORD--RANGER SPORT--(2006 - 2007)
FORD--RANGER STX--(2006 - 2007)
FORD--RANGER SUPER--1998
FORD--RANGER XL--(2005 - 2007)
FORD--RANGER XLT--(2005 - 2007)
LINCOLN--NAVIGATOR--(2002 - 2004)
MERCURY--MOUNTAINEER--(1998 - 2002)

If anything, you could try taking the gears out of the motor, and having them as back up, especially since the Expy has 2 of these motors in the rear AC, and they seem prone of failure.

Here are the directions to taking off the rear quarter panel. Should take a couple hours to do the whole thing.

First, you have to remove the C pillar. This is done:
1. Set the seat belt slider thing to it's lower setting.
2. Expose the nut that holds the seat belt, and take it off. I used an 18 mm socket, though I think it's really a 17 mm nut. When putting it back on, this nut requires 30 ft-lbs of torque. Set the belt aside.
3. Above this, there should be a piece of trim in a circle shape. Pop it off, and loosen the bolt. I used a 5/16 socket. It's retained in there, so it won't come out, but you'll know when it's loosened all the way.
4. Carefully pop the whole trim piece off.

Next, you have to take out the D pillar trim piece. This is done:
1. Expose the bolt that holds/guides the top of the 3rd row seat belt. Again, it's behind the little cover that pops off. Use a T50 star bit to take it off. It comes off all the way. When torquing back in, use 30 ft-lbs of torque.
2. Remove the headliner trim piece that is between the rear light and tail gate, or between both D pillars. Just carefully pull down.
3. Carefully remove the D pillar, first by pulling down on the horizontal part, then forward on the vertical part.

Now we get to the good part.
:) This is how you remove the rear quarter trim piece. I did all this with the 3rd row folded down:
1. Remove the rear trim piece that's between the carpet area and the bumper (aka the long trim piece that mostly surrounds the rear latch). Carefully pull up on it.
2. Open the jack access carpeted thing, and remove it. Basically, pull it up about 30 degrees, and pull towards you.
3. Take out the jack, and whatever else you have in the carpet.
4. Remove the 3 black plastic pins that are towards the front of the black carpet thing (assuming you're in the back, facing front towards the motor). Pull them out with pliers. If you want, you can also take out the 2 black screws that hold the latch for the jack assemble access. I used a 5/16 socket.
5. Take out the 2 black screws that hold the black plastic and split carpet (the 2 "flaps" that sit sit behind the 3 row seats) combo. I used a 5/16 socket. Carefully pull up, as it is also retained by clips.
6. Take out the 3rd row seat belt anchor on the floor. It come out with a T50 star bit. When torquing back, use 30 ft-lbs of torque. It'll be attached to a black metal piece that goes into the floor. I guess it's there to stop it from rotating.
7. Remove the pin from this:
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I didn't have to since it was broken on mine.
8. Go back to the second row passenger side door, and remove the lower second row seat belt anchor. Lift up the flexible plastic piece and the bolt should be right behind it. I think it uses the same T50 star bolt as the rest, but I can't remember. When torquing it back, use 30 ft-lbs of torque. It makes it easier if you fold the second row seat forward, as if you are exiting the third row seat.
9. Remove scuff plate to the second row door by pulling up. It'll be attached to the black weather stripping so don't be surprised it if also comes up.
10. The final moment is here. Carefully pull on the rear quarter panel towards the center of the vehicle. Disconnect the rear power point plug. It should look like the first picture I posted in the beginning.

To take out the blend door motors, I used a 5/16 socket.

To install everything back, reverse the whole installation.

Hope this helps whoever maybe be having the rear AC clicking sound :)
 

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Small update. Went to the junkyard and found a couple older Expys they had. All of them had the white blend door motors still in their rear ACs.

Took them out, popped open the motors, and took out the gears. Only cost me a dollar for 4 sets of gears. Still haven't had time to take off the rear section to see if they are the same gears as the 03 blend motors, but they look the same.

Figured I'd let you guys know. Better to spend a dollar, than 40 :)
 

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This is a GREAT thread, it's the exact issue I have with my (new to me) 03.

I'm confused about what p/n I'm supposed to get from RockAuto though. And should I replace both motors with the assumption that the gear will likely give out soon on the other?

Thanks!
 

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FYI, I replaced mine in about 15 minutes and most of that was walking back and forth to the driver seat to turn the key and rear a/c knob. I was making sure that the problematic motor was the top one.

The REALLY good news is that the top (lying flat) motor in the picture above can be replaced by removing only the cupholder and the tray, and both of those come out with a little tug. You can get to everything you need to remove it and replace it. So don't tear the the whole side apart unless you're replacing the lower motor.

I opened it up and the gears were stripped pretty badly.
 
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Hmm, weird. I did remove the cupholder...maybe I didn't remove the tray, but I couldn't reach it. Guess I know now :)

Glad you were able to fix it.
 

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Hmm, weird. I did remove the cupholder...maybe I didn't remove the tray, but I couldn't reach it. Guess I know now :)

Glad you were able to fix it.

I could only get to it with both removed. And to be honest, my 11 year old daughter was integral in reaching the furthest bolt (tiny hands). :D
 

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I need to get around to fixing this, I don't think I've had rear air for 3 or 4 years in my expedition now. (Bought new in 03, I just unplugged the motor to stop the clicking). I think one time I got a quote from the dealer to fix it and it was near $300, and I decided to wait until I had time to do it myself.
 

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Blower noise

I have the same issue with my 03 5.4 EB, its annoying!.
Thank you for all of your posts, I'm going to work on it this weekend!
 

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Is this a design defect?

Sorry for being late to this thread, but I finally got around to fixing my rear A/C which has been out for months. Btw - great input and photos from all contributors. It made fixing my A/C pretty easy.

Since I was having the same problem, I opted to skip the $75 dealer part cost. Instead, I found a similar actuator (in a Lincoln Mountaineer) at the junk yard and used it for parts. All the gears inside my old actuator had teeth missing. So I replaced the gear with the new ones. Here's the kicker...I noticed that no matter which position I have the selector on (ceiling or floor vents), the motor in the actuator is always turning. So there is constant pressure exerted against the gears. This seems odd. But when I re-assembled the actuator and put it all together, everything works great. However, I'm thinking it's only a matter of time until that continuous pressure on the gear teeth is going to cause one/some to break off. Considering how many people have had this problem, maybe it's a design flaw...where the motor never actually cuts-out, and this is causing the problems. Or does my system have another problem somewhere else? NOTE: The only way (I know) to tell if your actuator is doing the same thing as mine is to take it apart and plug it in with the top off. This allows the motor and gears to "pop" (not click or grind) letting you know if the motor is constantly engaged.
 

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I went to the local junk yard and picked up a used motor for 15.00, swapped the gears and reinstalled it, no more clicking! I loosened the side panael and leaned it out, did not have to completely remove it.
 

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When I went to the junkyard, I just took a bunch of the motors apart and took all the gears. I think I ended with 3 or 4 sets of gears, and only paid a doller for them. If they see just random gears, they just think it's any random piece, instead of the whole actuator, which I'm sure they know about. That way, you can have a bunch of spares for a dollar or so.

As for the motor constantly engaging, I don't think that's what it does. Did you have it "connected" to the blend door, or just open in you hand? I think it keeps on going until it meets resistance (fully closed door).
 

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I had the same issue on my 03.
Removed the cupholder and tray, grabbed an 8MM wrench, removed the 3 screws, put the new one in.
DONE IN 5 MINS...literally.
 

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Just would like to say that I have a couple extra sets of gears I got from the junkyard, in case anyone doesn't feel like going. Just reply here if you need some...
 

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it would be cool to find a matching metal gears that would fit that. Then again, if they don't disengage that might destroy the motor. Very poor engineering if you ask me.
 
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ELVATO was kind enough to mail me 2 sets of plastic gears. To pay it forward, I took a bunch of pictures while replacing the gears in my 2006 Frod Expedition XLT

Here is a small how to, which will hopefully help someone else on here with this problem.


Some of the pictures were taken as I reinstalled everything, so you will see some red fishing reel grease (which is all I had) on some of the pieces.

Begin by removing the cup holder and the tray to the right of the cup holder by prying with a flat screwdriver then pulling out.

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Removing the two pieces should give you enough room to acess the screws you need to remove.

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The motor assembly containing the faulty gears is located under/behind the cup holder. 3 screws need to be removed, 2 in the front and one on the side. The side screw is easily accessed through the tray hole. I used a 5/16th ratcheting wrench and was able to get to all the screws with little problems. I would imagine using a non ratcheting wrench would take a while. A small ratchet would be fine too, but a wrench just fits better inside the tight space. Also, make sure you don't drop anything in there or you will make a 5 min job a 1 hr job.

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After removing the three vertical scews that hold the white motor assembly inplace., the assembly will need to be pulled straight up, so that the gear rod that sticks out of it clears the opening its in.

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Here you can see the hole the gear rod slides into.

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An electrical connection will have to be removed as well. This easily clicks in an out.

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Next, you will need to use a small flat screw driver to GENTLY pry the clips which hold the case together. Take your time doing this, the last thing you want is to crack a clip. The gears are held in palce with the cover, so breaking any clips may have you needing to find a whole motor assembly. Gentle pressure is all that is needed and once the clips barely clear the notch that holds them, you can slowly work your way around the assembly and remove the whole cover.

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This is the motor assembly with the cover removed. The gears which tend to break are the two black gears (one large and one small). In my 2006 expedition, both gears had missing teeth. Make a mental note (or better yet, take a picture) of the gear positioning for when you re-assemble everything. I forgot how it went, but I used a picture I took before I touched anything. Make special note on the position of the beige gear because in order to re-install the motor, that will have to roughly match up to the hole in which it goes into. The rod has grooves which only fit inside the hole a certain way.

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Here is a close up of some of the missing teeth.

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Both gears removed. The gears just slide out of the metal pins they go mounted on.

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I re-greased everything with the only grease I had, high end fishing reel grease. I really don't think it will be any problem. Any grease will do. Make sure you smear a little on any moving parts, including under the beige gear. This will extend the life of all the parts.


Reassembly is in the reverse order.

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When I went to reinstall mine, the beige gear wasn't lining up to the hole it needed to go in, seen here:

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I ended up taking the cover off again and using the first picture I took of the motor assembly, I eyeballed what position it needed to be in. Then it fit well enough for me to scew it in place.

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I am not sure if you could just force the gears to turn so that the piece matches up, but it wasnt moving with gentle pressure, so I didn't want to damage the motor.

Test the A/C before you snap the covers on the cup holder and tray too.

Here are some more pictures I wasn't able to fit to the first post due to the 10 pic limit:

Electrical connector:
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location of front screws There is one where the wrench is at and one to the right of the wrench on the opposite corner of the motor assembly.
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location of side screw, view is from tray opening to the right of the cup holder. You can see all three screws that need to be removed. Two are on the left of the picture and one is to the right of the picture, all vertical positioned screws.
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Hope this helps someone else.

THANKS AGAIN TO ELVATO for his generosity.
 
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great writeup.

I recently had to replace this on my 04. The info shared on this forum has been a big help!
 
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