SUdden onset of warning lights for brakes, abs, traction control, and back HVAC now clunking

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Came out late last night in the cold, and after starting up (starts fine), the hvac was thumping like one of the door motors has broken it's shaft to door connection, both brake warning lights are lit even though the fluid levels is okay (and I had the brakes/disks/hubs all replaced back in June 2018), the traction control light goes on and off at intermittent times even if I'm not moving or driving straight on dry asphalt; tapping the traction control switch doesn't change anything. Then the navigation stopped working and says a fault has occurred.
Is my main computer dying or something? I tried an OBD2 plug in to the connector below the steering wheel, but neither mine nor my friend's will connect with our blue tooth phones.
I'm worried about trying to drive home tonight (christmas night).
 

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What year/ model?

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Sorry. Thought that I had put that in a sig.

2008 Expy standard (fleet type, no frills). Automatic, column shift, no sunroof.

I never used the rear a/c so that was a surprise when it started to make noise.
 

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2008 SSV: Alternator diode problem, belt broken, battery almost dead? Wiring corrosion or problem where the police stuff was removed?

Try disconnecting the battery after it's started and see if it dies. If it does, the alternator is bad.
 
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Battery is new and reads fine, belts are good, no corrosion on contacts that I can find (not perfectly shiny but no white stuff on them), couldn't find anything myself. Gave up and am bringing it to the shop where they hopefully can read the obd2 info.
 
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Battery replaced as preventitive maintenance. Purchased this truck in February 2017, battery of unknown age. I drive from NJ to AZ several times a year, and don't want any surprises 100 miles from any service/parts place. So battery was at least 2 years old. Replaced with a new one from walmart, Everstart maxx (based on reviews on consumer reports, they're turnover of batteries is so much that you're pretty much guaranteed one that was manufactured within the past month. Plus easy to return if they are a problem, as Walmart is all over the map. Dropped car off at service center this morning. I'll let everyone know what they find.
Edit battery was tested with voltage meter and one of those load testing devices. So far it's normal.
 
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I'm going to guess it's a power quality problem. So probably no meaningful OBD2 data. Either the alternator has a bad diode, there's an intermittent internal fault with the Chinese Walmart battery or there's loose or corroded wiring. Hopefully the "service center" you've engaged isn't just some monkey-hammer chain and they own a meter and can troubleshoot this stuff. Curious problem.

I rented a 2016 once that did this whenever I jumped a curb. I stopped jumping curbs for fear it would shut down.
 
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I've had them service the truck before, without any oddball repairs being required. I just hate paying for stuff that I could have done myself, if I was at home with my own equipment (I'm on christmas vacation, 2500 miles away from home. I now live in Arizona, having moved from NJ last year. This is the mechanic that has worked on my vehicles for the past, oh, 6 years. They tend to do good work. I still hate to spend money on stuff that I feel I could have done myself, though).
Just got the call; some brake sensor module. They tell me the trans fluid and txfer case fluid need replacing; last transmission fluid change was only 6 months ago, after the last cross continent trip, when they said the transmission fluid looked burnt, I checked and it was dark brown despite having been changed less than 6 months ago. I guess I'm going to have to put in the transmission cooler from the diesel F250, as I'm not pulling a trailer or anything (I don't pull a trailer, but DO drive at around 85 to 90 mph across the hot desert plains including up and down the mountains with a full load of stuff). Until I'm home in AZ and can do my own work, I'm at the mercy of the garage mechanics, though. At least I'll have my truck back tomorrow. More to come.
 

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Battery replaced as preventitive maintenance. Purchased this truck in February 2017, battery of unknown age. I drive from NJ to AZ several times a year, and don't want any surprises 100 miles from any service/parts place. So battery was at least 2 years old. Replaced with a new one from walmart, Everstart maxx (based on reviews on consumer reports, they're turnover of batteries is so much that you're pretty much guaranteed one that was manufactured within the past month. Plus easy to return if they are a problem, as Walmart is all over the map. Dropped car off at service center this morning. I'll let everyone know what they find.
Edit battery was tested with voltage meter and one of those load testing devices. So far it's normal.
Pro Tip: Every car battery will have a date of manufacture on it somewhere. Some look like this one (August 2014):
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Others will have a Month and Year punch-out sticker, while others still will have cryptic codes that have to be deciphered. Those are usually melted into the carcass somewhere inconvenient to see.
 

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Congratulations on your escape from New Jersey. I gotta get out of New York before it's too late. Before you put in a trans cooler, try using the Ford transmission fluid. There's a lot of junk out there that most shops use.
 

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Just got the call; some brake sensor module.
I had guessed it was a some module pulling down one of the communication busses !

They tell me the trans fluid and txfer case fluid need replacing; last transmission fluid change was only 6 months ago, ...
If your trans fluid and xfer case fluid (two totally separate items) are dark brown after only 6 month you have a more serious problem. The color change is likely from friction material coming off inside.
 
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Congratulations on your escape from New Jersey. I gotta get out of New York before it's too late. Before you put in a trans cooler, try using the Ford transmission fluid. There's a lot of junk out there that most shops use.
It was done at Anderson Ford in Kingman, AZ. So I just assumed they used Motorcraft trans fluid.

If your trans fluid and xfer case fluid (two totally separate items) are dark brown after only 6 month you have a more serious problem. The color change is likely from friction material coming off inside.
Wasn't dark brown. Was a darker shade of red than new, but then it had about 15K miles on it. They saved some of the supposedly drained fluid to show me how dark it was; I didn't ask whether it came from the xfer case or trans. They were a bit surprised when I just dipped my finger into it to check it; it was a dark red....you know, kind of like what it might have been after many thousands miles. No metal sparkling, doesn't look brown at all. So I don't really know. No trans or xfer case symptoms. With severe arthritis in both knees, if I kneel down on anything I'm going to have trouble walking for a week or two. But once I'm settled in, in AZ, I plan to get to the bottom of this. To avoid the knee damage, I just use a couple of ropes to ease my ass down onto a creeper, then reverse the process when I'm done. It's a pain to have to do it a lot (I'm fat) but I just look at it as some extra exercise.

The previous trans change of fluid before last year was done during a trans overhaul in early 2016, about a year before I purchased the truck, I have the records and receipt from the shop (PO saved all his receipts) and it seemed to be running fine. Over the past couple of years, and a dozen or so trips back and forth from NJ to AZ, I thought maybe I should just change the fluid again. Can't hurt. But in the heat out in the southwest, I figure more cooling capacity won't be a bad idea, either.

Does the OBD2 sensors monitor trans and/or xfer case fluid temp in these vehicles? Did the XLT versions have a beefier trans fluid cooler? Does the xfer case fluid need or have a inline cooler? The current cooler looks stock, and is way smaller (maybe a third of the size) than the aftermarket one that I ran on my Jeep Wagoneer years ago.

What coolers were available for these vehicles from Ford back then (2008)? It's a base model.

I don't tow anything. But I do carry a full load of stuff often, and just blast up the mountain passes uphill grades to get past trucks who are trying to pass each other, before they need to pull out into the passing lane (I know what it's like to have to maintain speed going uphill from driving slower vehicles years ago), so I don't want to make it difficult for them to do that).

On a side bar, it seems that this truck (plain white with the plain black grill) seems to give a lot of people the willies when I pull in right behind them into the passing lane; they slow way down so I think maybe they think I'm a cop. The fact that I often wear a hat (common flat brim Clint Eastwood style western hat) that might also easily be mistaken for one of those trooper hats, and sunglasses, probably doesn't help the issue. May also be the reason no troopers ever chase me when I'm doing 95?

I've had the car back for a while now. No new problems. I told them to leave the HVAC thingy alone, I can change that before summer comes on my own. There's a youtube video of a guy doing it without removing all the R Rear interior panels, and he had a link to the amazon part, too. So it will be a cheap job I can do while listening to the radio and enjoying a cold beer.
 
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Wasn't dark brown. Was a darker shade of red than new, but then it had about 15K miles on it.
Still (IMHO) not good. I have a 98 E150 with over 100K. The ATF is bright cherry red like it was new. The discoloration is likely from small amounts of friction material coming off or possibly overheating the ATF. The later is not likely because I believe that is semi-synthetic.

The previous trans change of fluid before last year was done during a trans overhaul in early 2016, about a year before I purchased the truck, I have the records and receipt from the shop (PO saved all his receipts) and it seemed to be running fine.
Check the fluid again in 5-10K. Better yet have the shop that did the rebuild check it and make them show it to you. Do NOT accept anything less than "bright cherry red" and start talking to them about their warranty !

Does the OBD2 sensors monitor trans and/or xfer case fluid temp in these vehicles? Did the XLT versions have a beefier trans fluid cooler? Does the xfer case fluid need or have a inline cooler?
Yes, powertrain control module monitors transmission fluid temperature, but not transfer case fluid.

"Stock" has no auxiliary transmission cooler. If you have the HD trailer tow option you have an auxiliary cooler out front. IIRC the ATF runs through the cooler built into the bottom of the radiator and then through the auxiliary cooler. And yes, it does look small.
 

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I agree with the bright red color. I can see the trans doing that due to cheap clutches in the reman. You don't mention any fluid change ever in the transfer case. So it's time for that. Definitely bring it back to the trans shop, they usually put in cheaply built remans these days, Ammcos famous for that. My good friend Tom's wife's 2005 Escape, has gone through 3 already. Their getting rid of it soon.

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Warranty is at a shop in Pennsylvania. I'm now in Arizona. I'll keep an eye on the fluids and check the temps.
 
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