Getting the new Hampshire undercoating done on my '14

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Guys at my wifes shop had the truck up on the lift and I saw some rust on the under side of the body. Only spot I noticed was where two pieces of the body come together. I meant to have it coated last year.
Ugh. I hate rust.

Edit: I did see other rust, but nothing really on the frame or body. Calipers and other parts were rusty.
 
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Guys at my wifes shop had the truck up on the lift and I saw some rust on the under side of the body. Only spot I noticed was where two pieces of the body come together. I meant to have it coated last year.
Ugh. I hate rust.

Edit: I did see other rust, but nothing really on the frame or body. Calipers and other parts were rusty.
What coating are you planning? I personally would only use some type of oil spray like Krown. Typical underbody coatings they claim hold moisture in.
 
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What coating are you planning? I personally would only use some type of oil spray like Krown. Typical underbody coatings they claim hold moisture in.
I'm taking it to a place that does nh undercoating. I've heard good things about it.
 

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I thought undercoating was a dealer and aftermarket scam that died in the 1960's or 70s.

-- Chuck
I think it did but we are buying a much cheaper product now for alot more money and they don't last like the oldies did. In the salt belt with no protection your lucky to hit the 10 year mark without having rust issues.
 

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I thought undercoating was a dealer and aftermarket scam that died in the 1960's or 70s.

-- Chuck

I think that still holds true 99% of the time when done by a dealer. They'll offer a lower quality product with a higher cost.
 

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No kidding, our vehicles are tin foil compared to the old boats. We’ve come a long way with tech and safety but overall quality is down in some areas. Engines and metallurgy are better these days by far, but the bodies have gotten very cheap.

A sixties Cadillac probably weighs more than our Expeditions while being as long as a Suburban. Nobody is convincing me that 6,000 pound land yacht of a car with 5 miles of hood isn’t safe.....that car would destroy our Expeditions if we collided lol.
 

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No kidding, our vehicles are tin foil compared to the old boats. We’ve come a long way with tech and safety but overall quality is down in some areas. Engines and metallurgy are better these days by far, but the bodies have gotten very cheap.

A sixties Cadillac probably weighs more than our Expeditions while being as long as a Suburban. Nobody is convincing me that 6,000 pound land yacht of a car with 5 miles of hood isn’t safe.....that car would destroy our Expeditions if we collided lol.


Yes, like the Caddys and 75 Buick Electra 225 with a 455.
They post lots of "results" and stats and even crash test old cars against new ones and the old ones always teat worse BECAUSE they want them too....but they do as far as occupant injury!!
You know why???? Because a76 Ford LTD or 78 T-bird, or 75 Buick Electra of Cadillac, only had old school basic seat belts with shoulder straps.
Just few years before they had optional shoulder strap belts that you folded and the stored up on the headliner.(73 Buick Century for example) Slightly before that no seat belts at all. 30s, 40s, 50s..up to early 60s. I think the law was 66 but many installed them ahead of the requirement or dealers added them.

AND then there were no airbags!

Take a 73 Buick or Cadillac and put higher quality seat belts (maybe even those ones than tighten up on impact) and air driver and pass airbag and that would be a more fair comparison.
New cars crush and crumple and they say they are supposed to (I think Volvo started that) to absorb energy but I will take a huge yacht any day as long as I'm not slamming into steering wheel, dash or roof.
 

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We had a horrible accident here in Pacifica Ca over the weekend. A group of 3 driving a Toyota Prius got on highway 1 the wrong way Friday night. They went head on into a Chevy Silverado. The Silverado 2 passengers we're fine, only the driver of the Prius survived, the other 2 was a fatality. One of the Prius passengers actually got ejected out the window, due to no seat belt. It was really sad. I believe it was at 4:00 am and the Prius driver was drunk.

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If you think about it, trucks and large suvs are a lot closer to the old cars than cars are today.

At least up to 2008 maybe.

A suburban or Expedition around 2002 or so is a lot like a big engine long hood old car just taller. Metal is a little thinner and bumpers not at thick either but they seem to do well in crashes.
 

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No kidding, our vehicles are tin foil compared to the old boats. We’ve come a long way with tech and safety but overall quality is down in some areas. Engines and metallurgy are better these days by far, but the bodies have gotten very cheap.

A sixties Cadillac probably weighs more than our Expeditions while being as long as a Suburban. Nobody is convincing me that 6,000 pound land yacht of a car with 5 miles of hood isn’t safe.....that car would destroy our Expeditions if we collided lol.
Hmmm … my memory goes back to 60's although I can't recall much of 70's. You used to see rustbucket junkers EVERYWHERE on the road and you don't see them that much anywhere. Certainly not like before. I would say vehicles have improved greatly in the rust department. Pretty sure they made a lot of improvements in corrosion avoidance and that's why the cars you see running down the road look SO much better AND Ziebart undercoating became generally known as "not needed". Vehicles are a lot more reliable now too are they not? My 2014 Expy doesn't call for any scheduled maintenance until 100K. There was a time when 100K was getting to be the lifetime of a vehicle was it not? Huge safety and gas mileage improvements also. We used to have metal dashboards for example - OUCH! Corrosion avoidance, safety, reliability, gas mileage, power, transmissions, tires, a/c, traction, anti-lock brakes, etc … seems like everything is better than "the good ole days".

I would never try to convince you of anything but IMHO collision safety has a LOT to do with "crumple zones" and "energy management" and "airbag" etc. vs mile of iron & steel in front of you.
 

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I've known quite a few people that got the "NH under coating". Everyone raves about it. It is basically an oil sprayed on the bottom. My brother just had it done to his brand new Chevy truck.
 
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I've known quite a few people that got the "NH under coating". Everyone raves about it. It is basically an oil sprayed on the bottom. My brother just had it done to his brand new Chevy truck.
I wonder how much prep work they do. Someone told me they clean a lot of rust off before hand.
 
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Hmmm … my memory goes back to 60's although I can't recall much of 70's. You used to see rustbucket junkers EVERYWHERE on the road and you don't see them that much anywhere. Certainly not like before. I would say vehicles have improved greatly in the rust department. Pretty sure they made a lot of improvements in corrosion avoidance and that's why the cars you see running down the road look SO much better AND Ziebart undercoating became generally known as "not needed". Vehicles are a lot more reliable now too are they not? My 2014 Expy doesn't call for any scheduled maintenance until 100K. There was a time when 100K was getting to be the lifetime of a vehicle was it not? Huge safety and gas mileage improvements also. We used to have metal dashboards for example - OUCH! Corrosion avoidance, safety, reliability, gas mileage, power, transmissions, tires, a/c, traction, anti-lock brakes, etc … seems like everything is better than "the good ole days".

I would never try to convince you of anything but IMHO collision safety has a LOT to do with "crumple zones" and "energy management" and "airbag" etc. vs mile of iron & steel in front of you.
My previous first generation's bodies were pretty rust free by year 15/17, but the frames were heavily rotted.
 

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I wonder how much prep work they do. Someone told me they clean a lot of rust off before hand.
I'm not sure, but I'd reason to bet that most people having it done are doing it before it rots. Hopefully...
 

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Hmmm … my memory goes back to 60's although I can't recall much of 70's. You used to see rustbucket junkers EVERYWHERE on the road and you don't see them that much anywhere. Certainly not like before. I would say vehicles have improved greatly in the rust department. Pretty sure they made a lot of improvements in corrosion avoidance and that's why the cars you see running down the road look SO much better AND Ziebart undercoating became generally known as "not needed". Vehicles are a lot more reliable now too are they not? My 2014 Expy doesn't call for any scheduled maintenance until 100K. There was a time when 100K was getting to be the lifetime of a vehicle was it not? Huge safety and gas mileage improvements also. We used to have metal dashboards for example - OUCH! Corrosion avoidance, safety, reliability, gas mileage, power, transmissions, tires, a/c, traction, anti-lock brakes, etc … seems like everything is better than "the good ole days".

I would never try to convince you of anything but IMHO collision safety has a LOT to do with "crumple zones" and "energy management" and "airbag" etc. vs mile of iron & steel in front of you.
You have to go back even further to get into the good steel originally. It seems that since cars were first being made in this country they were very thick metal and durable up until the 70s. The old ones were thick and lasted a long time with or without undercoating.
It was right in the mid-70s when they started rusting terribly. I have heard a lot of people blame cheap quality Japanese steel but I don't know if that was just foreign or import bashing or not.
But we must note and remember that cars were very high-quality before that all started.
Now once they start arresting terribly throughout the 70s and 80s it was later that the improvements came. Better prep in the paint department better sealing and better paint had a lot to do with it and I know they talked about some galvanized rust protection. But by the early 90s ziebart's and undercoating rustproofing was starting to disappear as an industry As you mentioned.
They also started using a lot of plastic like bumper covers and plastic on rockers and cladding over doors bottoms. This made them last longer and even when the rust did get behind it it's still look good for many years.
Unfortunately, I think it's starting to get worse again. I don't know why, could be the liquid brine that they use instead of salt. In the old days it was sodium chloride and then I can commit to calcium chloride and now who knows.
But it seems that cars from 1990 or 92 up until 2005 or 2006 or so held up quite well. It seems the new ones now are starting to get rust problems earlier.
On the safety, you put crush and crumple zones in the same category is airbags. They are sometimes but my original post is to the fact that if you had one of the big old Landyachtz with the huge length of hood and large engine up front and big beefy still frames and strong bumpers THEN added the airbags and the same quality of seat belts as we have today, I think those cars would well outshine the newer ones in the crash tests for occupant safety.
They were also cheaper to repair because you didn't have to replace so many parts or so much in the same type of impacts.
I want subscribe to the theory that everything on cars is better now because of Simply time, progress and Technology. It's always a give-and-take. I certainly wouldn't want to go back to the days of carburetors even though I love a good hot rod with a carburetor and headers and loud exhaust Etc. But I do miss some of the largeness of some of the cars and comfort and some of the styling of the old ones. Other things I certainly do not miss. Remember how bad they were about having big heavy doors even on two-door cars with no frame around the window. They were weatherstrip whistling nightmares even if they didn't leak in the rain. Then there's lots of people still pissed about the disappearance of the small wing window. Lol
 
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