Definition of Expedition

[1955moose]

http://nysdmv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/491/~/definition-of-suburban-(subn)

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[TobyU]

Whoever wrote that law was pretty lame and just stole the word from GM which really means nothing as to types of vehicles. They should have used SUV instead.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

Whoever wrote that law was pretty lame and just stole the word from GM which really means nothing as to types of vehicles. They should have used SUV instead.

SUV seems like it's such a broad term nowadays. Although I guess CUV is also a thing, but I don't see it used all that often.

 

[TobyU]

SUV seems like it's such a broad term nowadays. Although I guess CUV is also a thing, but I don't see it used all that often.

Yes. It is kind of an all-encompassing term but the people that decided to use Suburban for vehicle type apparently weren't aware of the definition of suburban or suburb. They have allowed the long-standing name of a GM product to take on a meaning that it never meant.
Wonder what GM was thinking when they named the vehicle? Was it that it was so big that was as big as a suburb of a town? Or was it the thought of commuting from the suburb to the town and being able to transport everything you need with you and having lots of room maybe for people?
Kind of reminds me of Town & Country.
I guess those people that named it would also call a tissue a Kleenex. We all pretty much know what they mean and I would expect a state organization to be more accurate.

 

[1955moose]

Suburbs were just starting to materialize in the 20's and 30's. It's funny how a brand name turns into a product type name. Fridgeadare comes to mind. When I was growing up, my mom would yell at me or my brothers or sisters, to close the Fridgeadare. It was actually a GE refrigerator. Sorry for the misprint of the title. It was supposed to say, Definition of Suburban. I guess New York and other states used that description, because GM was the only one at the time that made a panel van with seats.

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[Plati]

Its just a word. Words can have multiple meanings, usually do. I feel better knowing this and not feeling the stain of GM on my TRUCK. Although my first trUCK was a 67 Chevy Van. Will never forget.
It was frequently rockin after the bar closed at 2am. I had it spray foam insulated so all you needed was a couple people to keep it warm.

The term "station wagon" dates back to horse drawn days when a wagon would pick people up from the train station.

 

[1955moose]

I almost bought a 67 Chevy van myself. Living at home, what guy didn't want a ******* wagon back in the 70's. Shag carpets, and a rocking stereo. A young man's dream car! A lot sexier than a Prius today.

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[Plati]

I almost bought a 67 Chevy van myself. Living at home, what guy didn't want a ******* wagon back in the 70's. Shag carpets, and a rocking stereo. A young man's dream car! A lot sexier than a Prius today.

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Legendary Chevy 283. Changed out the engine one time. Raised entire van up on cement blocks, lowered engine onto pallet truck and rolled old one out and new one in under side doors.

The steering wheel would rotate like 1/8 of a turn before anything happened with wheels.

It didn't have electric windows or heated seats. How could I have survived that!

 

[Sgt Darkness]

I can still see those Chevy vans and VW vans going down the road maxed out with plywood and shag and bubble or sliding/pop out windows. Can anyone confirm that the cam for the 283 was made in Germany and was the cam to have if you were doing a rebuild? Just wondering...

 

[1955moose]

I believe your thinking of early Zora Arkus Duntov parts. He was known as the father of the Corvette. He actually was from Belgium. He designed camshafts, cylinder heads, and intake manifolds. One of his biggest items were Ardun cylinder heads, they breathed extremely well, and we're a high horsepower item. Thank God Chevrolet scooped him up, or we'd never have had the Corvette. GM was going to pull the plug in 1954, but the high performance 265 small block replaced the stove bolt 150 hp 6 cylinder, for the 1955 year. Hard to imagine today, but it was almost squashed. Can you think, it almost went the way of the Edsel!

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[Trainmaster]

The New York law definition goes back to the 1920's. New York calls station wagons and some SUV's "suburbans". Two door SUV's like Broncos are usually referenced as "Utilities".

 

[TobyU]

The New York law definition goes back to the 1920's. New York calls station wagons and some SUV's "suburbans". Two door SUV's like Broncos are usually referenced as "Utilities".

So the definition in the law is older than the chevy suburban?? Can we confirm this 100%?

I think the term suburban might have been used for some other autos or auto description like town and country has been.
All those funny names. Econoline, country squire, club wagon...didn't they go back and forth a lot.
A van was a club wagon when they had a station wagon that would been more appropriate.
Vans were something else too I think.

 

[Plati]

Chevy Suburban first model year was 1935. Kind of resembles an Expy!

 

[Sgt Darkness]

I believe your thinking of early Zora Arkus Duntov parts. He was known as the father of the Corvette. He actually was from Belgium. He designed camshafts, cylinder heads, and intake manifolds. One of his biggest items were Ardun cylinder heads, they breathed extremely well, and we're a high horsepower item. Thank God Chevrolet scooped him up, or we'd never have had the Corvette. GM was going to pull the plug in 1954, but the high performance 265 small block replaced the stove bolt 150 hp 6 cylinder, for the 1955 year. Hard to imagine today, but it was almost squashed. Can you think, it almost went the way of the Edsel!

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Yea that’s the man I was thinking of, just couldn’t remember his name. The 283 cam was a big deal if you were rebuilding small block Chevy engines back then. There are people out there that are still looking for the Chevy 302 small block engine to put in their rebuilds.

 

[rjdelp7]

An Expedition is a truck based, body on frame, similar dimensions to a F150. I have a hard time saying its an SUV, like a Rav 4 or Nissan Rouge. Those are more like unibody cars.

 

[jeff kushner]

To me, they should just call it what I call it, my BFT and we all know what it means or "my safe place"... MSP for those of a more submissive nature.

67 Chevy Van

I like how all us older gents instantly remembered Linda, Karen Debbie or Mary in that van.....yup, we either had a van fitted like a bedroom or one of our friends did. Our friend, well, we never really knew his real name, we always called him Space Cowboy.....different time back then when a chic would be good-to-go and there were no worries about her suing you later, nor did you both need to open the condom together to get it to open(yes, it's a thing )<LOL>!!!


jeff

 

[Plati]

I used my van , occasionally ... As a transport vehicle for my friends band's equipment. Lots of people were in a band back then ... Don't think young'uns do that as much now do they? Anyway , sometimes we would leave these huge speakers in there and I would drive them off the 8 track player. The ultimate kickass sound system of the day.

Used to go camping up in Thousand Islands and fishing. One time it rained all weekend but we put my van next to an Econoline side by side with side doors flung wide open on both and a tarp bridging in between and we had and instant party palace. High and dry.

 

[Trainmaster]

I know the term "suburban" in general use goes back to wood bodied "station cars", which predate the Chevy.

 

[Plati]

A lot of this stuff goes waaaay back. The VW bug's main creators were Adolf ****** and Ferdinand Porsche.

 

[1955moose]

Yep, the good old people's car. Great little car trudging through German snow. Horrible heater though. Back in the 40's though, just having a heater was an option. Hard to imagine these days, but all cars and trucks had a delete option for a heater here in the U.S. Cant believe someone in a cold climate would opt for no heat because of a $10.00-$20.00 bump.

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