Towing Capacities

[Fozzy]

I decided to look at this further and I still think the coil springs are different between with and without heavy duty tow package. I searched for two VIN's online. I narrowed my search to 2019 Expedition Max XLT's RWD. I picked one VIN with heavy duty tow package and one without. I then searched for the rear coil spring on parts.ford.com while filtering for the specific VIN. Below are the results. Notice that the description even indicate as such. Note the VIN's are visible in the screenshots. Also note if searching for two different VIN's on parts.ford.com, it is best to close and reopen the browser. It seems to remember the old VIN in the background.

With heavy duty tow
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Without heavy duty tow
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I noticed this the other day as well, but the part number is the same for both. I also noticed most the parts for the Expy are back ordered.


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[ETC13]

Yup, same part number because they are the same springs.

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[Fozzy]

Yup, same part number because they are the same springs.

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It strange, if they are the same then why is one on back order? And why would they take the time to make two separate links. They could have made one that says for all 18+ Expys. And they would show in stock.


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[Deadman]

It would make sense that the HD tow got a heavier rear spring. Who knows with the part numbers matching tho....

 

[JExpedition07]

Eh they may be slightly different who knows. You'd have to check payload on comparable models. Often that short number isn’t exactly the same as the long part number.

 

[wingrider]

It strange, if they are the same then why is one on back order?

Due to C-19, probably nobody in the warehouse to pick n ship it, or one warehouse has staff and parts, and one doesn't have staff...

I'm waiting on some stuff I ordered for my Expy via Tasca from the first week of March so who knows when things will start being delivered to warehouses and when stuff will be available is anybody's guess.

 

[wakeboarder]

I noticed this the other day as well, but the part number is the same for both. I also noticed most the parts for the Expy are back ordered.


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Parts.ford.com doesn’t show the full PN. If we go to a different site to look up the parts, we see the full part number is different. They both do share the 5560 portion.

 

[JExpedition07]

Due to C-19, probably nobody in the warehouse to pick n ship it, or one warehouse has staff and parts, and one doesn't have staff...

I'm waiting on some stuff I ordered for my Expy via Tasca from the first week of March so who knows when things will start being delivered to warehouses and when stuff will be available is anybody's guess.

I got the FordParts order in for my projects just in time. I put the order in mid March. 3V oil pump, timing chain tensioners, guides and arms, plus did a new oem starter motor and thankfully they all came in fast despite everything shutting down. It worked out perfect because I got the timing job and tons of work on the truck done during this shutdown.

 

[John JJW]

I tow a 6500lb trailer, tongue weight 650lbs. Squats 2"'. Tows nice and straight at 65mph no sway. Just installed Sumo Spring spacer, have not towed yet with them. 2019 XLT HD tow, FX4 package. No need for WDH.

 

[Greg Parker]

I tow a 6500lb trailer, tongue weight 650lbs. Squats 2"'. Tows nice and straight at 65mph no sway. Just installed Sumo Spring spacer, have not towed yet with them. 2019 XLT HD tow, FX4 package. No need for WDH.

John...IDK know if that means you're not using a WDH. If not, here are my thoughts...

Four and a half years ago, I upgraded my wife's ride to a 2016 Honda Pilot (AWD). Had the max towing package put on that which netted me 5000# max towing. At the time, our camper was one of the biggest pop-up campers you could get and tipped the scales at about 3500#, loaded-up. (I assume the hitch weight was the fairly typical 10-15% of GVWR.) I towed that TWICE and immediately went out and bought a 3/4-ton diesel. I probably coulda got a $300-$500 WDH and found out I would have been very happy towing with the Pilot.

Well...fast forward 4.5 years. We now have a full-bodied camper that is quite close to your trailer / tongue weight. I made the decision to sell my Duramax after the wife was clearly not in the mood to trade-in her Pilot for an Expedition. But 6 of us in my CCSB Duramax just became way, way too annoying for my temperment. Anyway...I did it, I sold my Duramax and found a holdover 2019 Limited 4WD (with HD trailering package)...and immediately purchased a Husky WDH (that is actually rated for 800-1000# tongue weight...I believe in "going one up" and while that is not highly recommended with WDH's ...I did it anyway and am quite happy.)

So...just ONE camping trip in thus far (have only had the new Expy for 11 days) ...and I might never tow a 5000#+ trailer without a WDH EVER AGAIN (on a rear-mounted receiver). After a lot of research and watching installation videos, I was able to setup my Husky WDH very nicely and I only got 1/2" of squat in the rear and the front stayed exactly the same. Our camping trip this past weekend was a huge success ...towing wise. Here in AZ the temps were ridiculous (at almost any elevation), and the highway winds were brutal. Even though I could certainly feel the weight of our 6200# camper, it towed like a dream with the WDH ...probably better than my 3/4-ton Duramax without the WDH. (I had airbags on the rear axle of my Duramax and that helped, but not as much as I had hoped.)

Anyway...I am a firm believer now (after towing 3000-7000# over the last 35+ years), that a WDH is an absolute necessity when towing ...either over 5000# or when towing anything near 70-90% overall towing capacity).

 

[ETC13]

Agree with the above. For that weight trailer to say no WDH needed is just bad advice.

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[Tripinbillie]

Ford’s doc’s state to get max tow weights requires WDH... good luck explaining that to the cops and/or insurance

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten.../guides/19Towing_Ford_Expedition_r1_Dec21.pdf

 

[Harry Attterbury]

Curious....What payload capacity does your Tire and Loading Placard state? I have a 2020 Expy w/ hd tow 4WD. Tow capacity is 9200#. But, the T and L Placard says max 1448#.
Ford Dealer is telling me approx. 1700#. I plan to tow a 7300# trailer w/ WHD, tongue weight approx. 850#

Advice, please.

 

[Greg Parker]

Curious....What payload capacity does your Tire and Loading Placard state? I have a 2020 Expy w/ hd tow 4WD. Tow capacity is 9200#. But, the T and L Placard says max 1448#.
Ford Dealer is telling me approx. 1700#. I plan to tow a 7300# trailer w/ WHD, tongue weight approx. 850#

Advice, please.

Harry, you bring-up an important point in that most of these factory and replacement passenger tires aren't technically suited for some of the heavier tongue-weights...especially when you're fully loaded-up with passengers and gear in the cabin. Now that being said, I'm perfectly comfortable towing my 6200# GVWR / 620# TW camper on "passenger tires" (with slightly more frequent tire rotations). I don't expect these factory tires to last much past 40K miles; my experience is that they rarely do. That first new set of tires I put on my rig are going to be 10-ply LT-rated tires. It will probably make the Expy ride slightly rougher, but these teeny-tiny sidewalls on the 22" wheels are already pretty inflexible (fortunately the suspension seems to make-up for it).

To answer your question more directly ...the 285/45R22's on most Limiteds and Platinums are more rated for "cabin weight" (passengers & luggage/gear). My '19 Limited 4WD (standard length) says "1510 lbs." on the tire placard. Now...factor-in that you're probably transferring 40-50% of the tongue weight to the rear tires; and you might wanna subtract that from the overall "combined weight of occupants and cargo" (maybe even considering most of that cabin weight reduction needing to be near the rear of the Expy).

Now...all THAT being said, I think this is primarily important if you intend on driving at the max speed-rating of the tires (which is usually 80-90mph). Most of us seem to agree that 65-70mph is what makes the most sense ...without coming all the way down to "great-grandma speeds" ...and so, I don't put quite as much concern into it at my towing speed preferences. If I was willing to drive 75-85mph (towing) on the interstate, I would absolutely want LT tires to clip around that fast.

Anyway...I'm kinda rambling at this point. Hopefully that gives you some fat to chew on.

 

[ETC13]

Curious....What payload capacity does your Tire and Loading Placard state? I have a 2020 Expy w/ hd tow 4WD. Tow capacity is 9200#. But, the T and L Placard says max 1448#.
Ford Dealer is telling me approx. 1700#. I plan to tow a 7300# trailer w/ WHD, tongue weight approx. 850#

Advice, please.

Ford dealer should be telling you to go by what is on the placard that is directly on your vehicle as that is the exact payload capacity for your specific truck from the factory. That is gospel for your truck.

Tow capacity is rarely an achievable number when talking travel trailers as you will typically run out of payload capacity first. So subtract your tongue weight number from the placard number and that is what you are left with for payload (passengers, dogs, gear, etc...). Keep in mind rarely is the tongue listed in trailer brochures correct and typically is higher.

Also, regarding trailer speeds even though the tow vehicle tires are rated for high speeds keep your speed below whatever the trailer tires speed rating is which is almost guaranteed to be lower than your trucks tires unless you have some seriously craptastic truck tires.

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[Wayne Decker]

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Anyway...I am a firm believer now (after towing 3000-7000# over the last 35+ years), that a WDH is an absolute necessity when towing ...either over 5000# or when towing anything near 70-90% overall towing capacity).[/QUOTE]

Thee is no logical reason not to.

 

[Greg Parker]

Ford dealer should be telling you to go by what is on the placard that is directly on your vehicle as that is the exact payload capacity for your specific truck from the factory. That is gospel for your truck.

Tow capacity is rarely an achievable number when talking travel trailers as you will typically run out of payload capacity first. So subtract your tongue weight number from the placard number and that is what you are left with for payload (passengers, dogs, gear, etc...). Keep in mind rarely is the tongue listed in trailer brochures correct and typically is higher.

Also, regarding trailer speeds even though the tow vehicle tires are rated for high speeds keep your speed below whatever the trailer tires speed rating is which is almost guaranteed to be lower than your trucks tires unless you have some seriously craptastic truck tires.

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My only rebuttal to this would be that it should be perfectly safe to run an LT-rated tire of the same size as the passenger-rated tire. In the process, you absolutely improve your load-carrying capacity ...by as much as 70%.

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Anyway...I am a firm believer now (after towing 3000-7000# over the last 35+ years), that a WDH is an absolute necessity when towing ...either over 5000# or when towing anything near 70-90% overall towing capacity).

Thee is no logical reason not to.[/QUOTE]


Wayne...I've towed a lot of trailers for a lot of different purposes in the last 35 years and just never had a situation that warranted a WDH. I towed a lot of boats, cargo trailers and smaller travel trailers that never really made most of the 1/2 -to- 3/4 ton platforms balk (or squat) at all. My first foray was with the 3700# pop-up on my wife's Pilot and it was pretty scary to tow on the hitch, other than at straight-line highway & interstate driving. (And my 3/4 diesel handled our 6200# GVWR / 620# TW camper, no problem at all.) But I knew even though this Expy was based on a 1/2-ton truck frame, I really didn't want to risk it ...and boy am I impressed with the WDH. Makes all the difference in the world for towing stability.

Some day, I'll have one of these...(very pricey, but I have a friend that has one and raves about it ...I'd at least like to try one and compare to my much less expensive Husky WDH).

https://www.propridehitch.com/propride-3p-trailer-sway-control-hitch?hsCtaTracking=e2da8860-1919-49ba-917a-7002fe36dbf7|7aa487f2-2a0f-40c4-ab6d-529498fac3b2

 

[flying68]

Curious....What payload capacity does your Tire and Loading Placard state? I have a 2020 Expy w/ hd tow 4WD. Tow capacity is 9200#. But, the T and L Placard says max 1448#.
Ford Dealer is telling me approx. 1700#. I plan to tow a 7300# trailer w/ WHD, tongue weight approx. 850#

Advice, please.

The way you worded your question makes me think that you are confusing payload capacity (weight of passengers and cargo) with towing capacity.

The sticker is your maximum payload, which you shouldn't exceed no matter what the dealer told you. There number is closer to a Max's capacity, your placard is for the short body (my Expy is 1487 lbs). Now if you want to tow a 9200 lb trailer, you can and assuming you have a 10% tongue weight and a weight distributing hitch, you will be left with 528 lbs of payload for you, passengers, and cargo.

So remember towing capacity can be limited by payload because the tongue weight (10 to 15% of the loaded trailer weight) goes into the payload number.

 

[flying68]

My only rebuttal to this would be that it should be perfectly safe to run an LT-rated tire of the same size as the passenger-rated tire. In the process, you absolutely improve your load-carrying capacity ...by as much as 70%.

Having higher rated tires will not increase payload as your axles are what is rated. The load rating for the tire is the minimum or recommended rating to achieve the maximum axle rating. Using higher load rated tires though does allow you to run lower tire pressures and still achieve maximum axle load.

 

[wakeboarder]

Using higher load rated tires though does allow you to run lower tire pressures and still achieve maximum axle load.

I have seen the opposite. An LT tire usually requires a higher pressure to achieve the same loading as a same size P rated tire.