'18 Expedition Platinum vs '18 Yukon Denali

[JExpedition07]

I think this is responsive to the thread...at least a little bit.



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6.2L Boss vs 3.5 Ecoboost

Yea GM won’t win a drag race but the 5.3 is a great motor, cannot find a 6.2 GM race video but found a ford 6.2. Tough and not really apples to apples on the SUV drag race video, the expedition always has gotten fords premium engine option from the half ton since 04' (5.4 Triton and 3.5 Ecoboost) which were both the premium options on half tons. GM never has the premium powertrain standard on their SUV.

 

[edizzle]

I think this is responsive to the thread...at least a little bit.



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Hell yeah! To be fair they should pit the platinum against the Denali (6.2)

 

[edizzle]

The tests show what they show, the 6.2 is slightly better on fuel hauling at altitude all while getting about the same timing on the runs. Big V8 is reliable, cheap to repair, and simplistic low stress design, I don’t live at high altitude but the 6.2 performs just fine at altitude although it feels the lack of air more. To each their own and both are viable options I like the V8.

What tests? Just curious what you are referencing.

 

[JExpedition07]

What tests? Just curious what you are referencing.

Many real world tests out there such as TFL. They find the timing to be very close between the two and gas mileage to be better on the 6.2 under load.

 

[JExpedition07]

GMs new 5.3 and 6.2 engines have cylinder deactivation down to 1 cylinder now so their MPGs will be improving. They also are offering a 3.0 diesel like ford. not sure I like that, hopefully someone sells a defeat device, I don’t really care about gas mileage. Whether your talking cylinder deactivation or small displacement turbo engines it’s at a cost to longevity.

 

[edizzle]

Many real world tests out there such as TFL. They find the timing to be very close between the two and gas mileage to be better on the 6.2 under load.

So the 10 speed tests showed a few things. Shows they were .02 MPG apart and that the built in computer in the Denali is way off!!! Other than that, it is evident Ford has quite a motor in that eco boost!!!

 

[JExpedition07]

So the 10 speed tests showed a few things. Shows they were .02 MPG apart and that the built in computer in the Denali is way off!!! Other than that, it is evident Ford has quite a motor in that eco boost!!!

I thought it showed GM has quite a motor in that 6.2

 

[dlcorbett]

When the vid was first released some yrs ago, it seemed they expected the 6.2 to be good at towing and were surprised that the smaller eco matched the 6.2 in such a lg application as the nav.

 

[gtnator]

Just came across this:
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...sed-traffic-and-navigation-app-to-ford-v.html

Wireless Car Play/Android Auto is what I want

 

[shane_th_ee]

Did u test a range rover and gls450? Did you also test a lx570? Apparently, the gls450 is miles ahead of the expy amd navi according to caranddriver.

Yeah, they never tried getting in and out of the third row with a carseat or booster seat installed in the second row. And while they loved those giant second row doors, all I could think about was how my kids would be bashing those giant doors into the cars next to use every time we went anywhere in town. We used to own a long wheelbase XJ8 and while those long rear doors were fantastic at the valet drop off, they were a nightmare in tight parking spaces. Finally, the cargo room behind the third row in the GLS makes it more of a Armada/Tahoe competitor than a Max/Suburban competitor.

 

[JExpedition07]

Yeah, they never tried getting in and out of the third row with a carseat or booster seat installed in the second row. And while they loved those giant second row doors, all I could think about was how my kids would be bashing those giant doors into the cars next to use every time we went anywhere in town. We used to own a long wheelbase XJ8 and while those long rear doors were fantastic at the valet drop off, they were a nightmare in tight parking spaces. Finally, the cargo room behind the third row in the GLS makes it more of a Armada/Tahoe competitor than a Max/Suburban competitor.

The whole problem with suburban is.... it’s a great truck but, small engine you can’t upgrade!

 

[gtnator]

Even when made here like the Tundra I still think about where the profits go... yea I’m a built in America nut. I like that when I purchase OEM parts for my Fords, they are usually made in USA, that makes me take pride in owning it. I’d rather support ford by buying their vehicles and parts that are made here than the imports. To each their own, again the patrol platform is great, and looks great, and has a great motor under the hood.

I agree, I like the "American" brands better, but to be honest, its getting harder and harder to tell which is the "true" American truck. Toyota Tundra is about as all American as it gets, though it looks like the Ford F-150 recently caught up. The auto companies don't really make that much profit per vehicle, we're talking a few thousand dollars. But if they (Toyota for example) builds the cars in America, they hire Americans to build them and those Americans earn good wages to feed their families. They also buy supplies from other American suppliers and the chain of American benefits continues. Same with the dealerships. A Toyota dealership hires American salesmen, and mechanics etc. all of whom earn a decent wage to feed their families and then therefore buy other products locally, here in America. It's not like the old days when Toyota just made cars in Japan and only imported them here.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-most-american-trucks-for-2015.html

https://drivetribe.com/p/whats-the-...s0o2S_CcMVEiqBXSiQ?iid=LjlxyIvXSwKNZ5bc0JWFzw

 

[JExpedition07]

I agree, I like the "American" brands better, but to be honest, its getting harder and harder to tell which is the "true" American truck. Toyota Tundra is about as all American as it gets, though it looks like the Ford F-150 recently caught up. The auto companies don't really make that much profit per vehicle, we're talking a few thousand dollars. But if they (Toyota for example) builds the cars in America, they hire Americans to build them and those Americans earn good wages to feed their families. They also buy supplies from other American suppliers and the chain of American benefits continues. Same with the dealerships. A Toyota dealership hires American salesmen, and mechanics etc. all of whom earn a decent wage to feed their families and then therefore buy other products locally, here in America. It's not like the old days when Toyota just made cars in Japan and only imported them here.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-most-american-trucks-for-2015.html

https://drivetribe.com/p/whats-the-...s0o2S_CcMVEiqBXSiQ?iid=LjlxyIvXSwKNZ5bc0JWFzw

Haha don’t let the car companies tell you they don’t make much on cars. they make upward of $10,000-$20,000 per SUV. As some industry insiders say “a sucker is born every day” to describe us, we eat up their bull and overpay.

 

[gtnator]

Haha don’t let the car companies tell you they don’t make much on cars. they make upward of $10,000-$20,000 per SUV. As some industry insiders say “a sucker is born every day” to describe us, we eat up their bull and overpay.

I don’t think you really addressed any of the key points I made, including the fact that the Toyota Tundra is one of the MOST American trucks there is. And also that American made trucks like the Tundra support thousands of American workers.

Any by the way, Toyota is a publicly traded company so anyone, including Americans and large pension funds can buy it, which means those profits per truck, go to shareholders like your American neighbors living down the street!

All I’m saying is that it’s not so easy to identify what used to be considered an “American” truck.

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[JExpedition07]

I don’t think you really addressed any of the key points I made, including the fact that the Toyota Tundra is one of the MOST American trucks there is. And also that American made trucks like the Tundra support thousands of American workers.


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Yep agree there, the tundra is right behind F-150 in domestic parts content. They do employ a lot of Americans.

 

[Kevink109]

Our previous car was a GL450, tons of maintenance and repair. It drove really well...when it wasn't in the shop.

We looked at the Gl550 as well as the 18 Expy max- close in price as I usually purchase pre-owned. I would say I know more people who have the GL/GLS models than any other SUV- GMs second. On the Mercedes owners its a very divided crowd- half love it half hate it. It seems like if you get good one its a good one- get one with electrical issues and your done. We have one friend who is actually into a pretty nasty lawsuit with Mercedes on a lemon law suit. Mercedes is fighting it hard- and they have over 4 months of shop time on a vehicle with only 12,000 miles.

I have been having a good run on Ford products so I just doubled down on the expy- well see if first year gremlins get me or not

 

[Aviator_JPN]

I test-drove both Denali and Expy finally. I liked the ride of Expy but one thing which I really did not like about Expy was the door handle (outside). Not sure if anyone who tried out Expy noticed but the door handle seems to be poorly installed (poor design), not solid. It's loosen. Paying $70+, I'd expect it to be very solid. There was explorer sitting next to Expy. Their handles are solid.
Maybe I should wait for 2019 model to see if they do anything about it. And maybe they will have solved the 1st year issues they may often have....

 

[dlcorbett]

I believe its the aluminum skin but dont dont for sure. I believe thete wont be any issues with it and its a warranty item but the handle does give a bit like your stretching the door if you grab it hard. The truck still feels solid though

 

[Garrett]

I test-drove both Denali and Expy finally. I liked the ride of Expy but one thing which I really did not like about Expy was the door handle (outside). Not sure if anyone who tried out Expy noticed but the door handle seems to be poorly installed (poor design), not solid. It's loosen. Paying $70+, I'd expect it to be very solid. There was explorer sitting next to Expy. Their handles are solid.
Maybe I should wait for 2019 model to see if they do anything about it. And maybe they will have solved the 1st year issues they may often have....

How did you feel they compared on the inside? For me it was a no brainier . . .

 

[gtnator]

How did you feel they compared on the inside? For me it was a no brainier . . .

The two things I personally like more about the Suburban/Yukon XL are the cargo space behind the 3rd row in the Suburban/Yukon XL is massive compared to the Expy Max. The specs don't even tell the entire story as the Expy's rear cargo space has a curved edge (on the rear center part by the latch) and the measurements are taken from that widest point, which is still a few inches smaller than the Suburban. However, the real story is its about 6 or more inches smaller when you consider the usable space for something large like a big box. If you don't believe it, go back up a Suburban and an Expy Max and compare the two side by side with a measuring tape, and take measurements at the edges and the center. You'll see what I mean.

The other thing I like more about the Suburban/Yukon is that I like how the one ceiling mounted shoulder harness in the 3rd row comes right out of the ceiling in the Burb. However in the Expy/Navi there is a huge ceiling mounted (future head injury coming) hard plastic harness protruding from the ceiling.

But everything else is better in the Expy!