Flexpedition
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Hey look, another one of these treads.
2008 V-8 vs. 2016 V-6 on the Road
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I'm a quality fan & the 3 Toyota trucks I have owned with the lowest mileage one being 125,000 when I sold it, has it down. Zero non maintenance repairs on all 3. At this time I couldn't afford another Sequoia. Even coming in last place they really are expensive used because people want them. Toyota seems to like to keep a good thing going rather than redesign often.
Jeep GC, Nissan Armada & Ford Expeditions all were at the lower tier of used SUV pricing while I was shopping around. I got a 17 with less than 30,000 miles on it (lower trim level) for what I would have paid for a 3-4 year old Sequoia with similar trim with 80.000 or more miles on it. There is a reason for that.
I bought a used 17 Expy XLT EL that was either a rental or fleet vehicle & because of the issues a friend of mine is having on his 2016 F-150, I bought an extended warranty. I would like to tell people that the quality of Ford equals Toyota, we will see. So far so good. I'm impressed with how it drives, the power & gas mileage. I getting nearly 4mpg more than the Sequoia in similar driving. No warning lights going over bumps either. It's actually fairly quiet.
If I have many issues with the Expy, I'll pay the premium on the used market and go back to Toyota. If Toyota takes a down turn, then onto whatever is rated best.
Muddy Bean
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Exactly my sentiment. Very on point. But I’m sure someone here will flame us for promoting Toyota reliability. After spending a decent about of time on this forum and formerly on a Land Cruiser forum before I sold my 100 series I’m beginning to realize that there is a bit of a fundamental difference in life attitude between the majority of Land Cruiser owners and some Expedition owners. So much immaturity displayed here. [emoji53]
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Dakota4ce
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Also just sold an 08 Sequoia to get into this Expy. Reluctantly. BUT....I need the length (4 kids), the power (25’ boat)—and I like the 2016 Expy a lot.
However, that Sequoia, my second one, was dead nuts solid. Man she drinks fuel, but never breaks.
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However, that Sequoia, my second one, was dead nuts solid. Man she drinks fuel, but never breaks.
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JExpedition07
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I don’t normally drive foreign vehicles but I’ll never take away from Toyota’s reliability. They make quality stuff that lasts, not to mention the Sequoia is a good looking truck. They are evolutionary not revolutionary nothing wrong with that, they let the others make the screw ups.
Dakota4ce
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Built in Indiana, sold exclusively in USA and Canada. Pretty darn American truck. Possibly engineered in Japan, I guess. But ownership of Toyota is worldwide as is every other major car manufacturer. There is not hardly such a thing as a foreign vehicle in the global economy, if you think about it.
Just a thought I had.
Just a thought I had.
UncleDJ
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My only experience with a Toyota was a 94 four runner I had for about 5 years.
All in all I wasn't impressed. It wasn't as comfortable as the American vehicles I'd owned, it was underpowered, and had rust issues that crept up rather quickly and the rear hatch leaked.
It was a pretty capable off roader though, and I never did have any issues with the drivetrain.
I may be willing to delve back into a Toyota at some point, but first we'll have to see how this current love affair with my Expy goes.
All in all I wasn't impressed. It wasn't as comfortable as the American vehicles I'd owned, it was underpowered, and had rust issues that crept up rather quickly and the rear hatch leaked.
It was a pretty capable off roader though, and I never did have any issues with the drivetrain.
I may be willing to delve back into a Toyota at some point, but first we'll have to see how this current love affair with my Expy goes.
I wasn't trying to sell Toyota just saying I expect my Ford to be problem free with regular maintenance like I'm used to. Do that and I would be a repeat customer as long as the price is decent and let the OP know I have high expectations and the 17 rental/fleet I bought is much better than his experience.
You should see the Wrangler forums when someone points out they own an Italian car. LOL
JExpedition07
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It is a very valid point indeed. However companies do have to be headquartered somewhere and pay its tax rates and that’s where profits are headed. Ford and GM are in Michigan..... Toyota is not. Again nothing wrong with that they still contribute to our economy.
Dakota4ce
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Well, it’s 1000x more complex than that, and not quite that dramatic. They have a hefty US Tax obligation as a corporation.
Here’s a good read.
I get your point, but the company is quite American by at least my definition. But it hinges on what the definition of “American” really is. And that’s very subjective.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/foreign-cars-made-in-america-where-does-the-money-go.html
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You are not kidding about contributing to our economy. I can tell you Alabama is happy to have them.
Toyota Motor Corp and Mazda Motor Corp said on Wednesday they will build a $1.6 billion joint assembly plant in Alabama that will employ up to 4,000 workers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...on-plant-for-huntsville-alabama-idUSKBN1EZ2NE
Now what about Ford?
Ford Motor announced Tuesday that it would cancel plans for a $1.6 billion Mexico plant and launch a Michigan expansion in a move that may be viewed as a capitulation to Donald Trump.
Also:
To be sure, Ford acknowledged that it would still move production of the next-generation Focus sedan to Mexico, as previously announced. But it will be built at an existing plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, not at a new facility.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/01/03/ford-motor-co-donald-trump-mexico-us/96106334/
JExpedition07
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All valid points, there will be no more focus sold here in USA, it’s being discontinued along with all other sedans by ford.
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Muddy Bean
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Btw Jexpedition, when I’m ragging on newbies who frown on the ecoboost I’ve never directed it at you lol. You post some good stuff on here that I actually find useful. Tried to send you a PM but couldn’t for some reason.
Now that being said, take this with a grain of salt....I drove an older expedition years ago with the 5.4. Was a great truck. Can’t remember how it sounded but I’ll say this: my current ecoboost Expedition has a very very quiet cabin. Impressively quiet with the sound screen glass etc. but, the engine and turbos are a bit...whistley for lack of a better term. Not noisy, but I can definitely hear the higher pitches of the engine as it works hard. Maybe that’s what Trainmaster was referring to?
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Now that being said, take this with a grain of salt....I drove an older expedition years ago with the 5.4. Was a great truck. Can’t remember how it sounded but I’ll say this: my current ecoboost Expedition has a very very quiet cabin. Impressively quiet with the sound screen glass etc. but, the engine and turbos are a bit...whistley for lack of a better term. Not noisy, but I can definitely hear the higher pitches of the engine as it works hard. Maybe that’s what Trainmaster was referring to?
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JExpedition07
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No bad blood here
Why, Everytime Somebody speaks badly about the EB, he jumps on the bandwagon and starts speaking that the V8’s are better....yet he has never owned an EB and driven it Day in and day out.
I defended with Numbers and Dyno Data, yet he still ignored it, and redirected to a different manufacturer’s engine. Then said the Chevy 6.2 would get better MPG, yet the EPA numbers are quite the opposite. Still nothing.
I love a good V8, but saying the EB 3.5TT is inferior just because it has 2 less cylinders is BS, and that is pretty much his argument.
The OP had one experience with a Rental, that obviously had other Electronic/Mechanical issues, most likely because of mistreatment by a previous renter.
I have a excoworker that now owns a 2017 Expy, because of a Rental he drove in CO in the Mountains on Vacation. Traded his Chevy Truck in on it. That was a year ago, and he still owns it and is loving it. He fell in love with the comfort, MPG, and constant low end power.
Speaking of a Tree(Sequoia). Loved the one I test drove, so did the wife, but the price was ridiculous for the same options as our 2015 Expy. We have a friend that has had several and her kid calls it the Tree cause he couldn’t pronounce the name. Plus, man the MPG’s people report are bad, but that isn’t my first criteria.
I also respect any manufacturer that brings jobs to the US. Drove a Passat TDI assembled in TN for 3 years as my DD before my Edge. Loved it and got a tour of the plant when I stopped by one Summer. Was pretty cool.
Muddy Bean
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We seriously considered a sequoia to replace our Land Cruiser but I really did want a few more bells and whistles and I was getting a little weary of the Toyota bland taste. I kept waiting for them to update the sequoia and do something exciting with it. Never happened. But they are nice trucks no doubt. I don’t have a personal beef with anyone on here, but I definitely try to counter some of the ecoboost misunderstandings since I actually own one and drive it a lot of miles. I have 82,000 miles on mine already. By the end of this year I’ll be likely crossing over into 100,000 mile territory.
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Muddy Bean
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None so far. I have only changed spark plugs and oil at this point.
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