2022 Expedition - Schedule for production ?

[wannabeMtb]

And then there’s this:

Large railroad labor unions say they will strike if quality of life is not addressed in new contract

Railroad unions representing half of workers say they will strike unless vacation and sick days and attendance policies, are addressed in a new labor contract.

www.cnbc.com

If they don't wanna show up to work, the companies should be allowed to hire someone who wants to show up.
Sigh.

 

[rvmode]

If they don't wanna show up to work, the companies should be allowed to hire someone who wants to show up.
Sigh.

Ha. Easier said than done... Especially on the Railroad. Try hiring anyone for anything right now that requires physical presence at work. The American workforce is a bit of a mystery to me right now.

 

[nationalgallery]

Try hiring anyone for anything right now that requires physical presence at work. The American workforce is a bit of a mystery to me right now.

Even for those who do show up, there's the recent mass 'quiet quitting' movement in the workplace.....

 

[carnevallemarcelo]

My expedition just arrived. I still have not reached a final agreement once I am really firm in what I am asking in my trade-in - the first impression of the multimedia was great and very responsive; however, the interior materials look a downgrade compared to 2019, to be honest. Any thoughts?

 

[JohnSC]

I was told by my dealer that if you have a submitted order for a '22 that Ford rolls over to a '23, Ford must give you the same pricing as the '22 you ordered.

I ordered a ‘23 a couple of weeks ago, dealer wrote it up but said the pricing was not available so he used the ‘22 prices and asked me for a deposit to guarantee that price. I also have an x-plan number, but now I suspect that pricing will be based on the ‘23 invoice and may actually be higher than the ‘22 price he gave me. Hmmm.

 

[wannabeMtb]

My expedition just arrived. I still have not reached a final agreement once I am really firm in what I am asking in my trade-in - the first impression of the multimedia was great and very responsive; however, the interior materials look a downgrade compared to 2019, to be honest. Any thoughts?

I don't have mine yet. So don't have direct experience. But I had checked out a few F-150s that had the same Sync multimedia hardware and version as the 22 expedition. Yes, although they are a big improvement over the prior year model expedition, they are not as good as some of the other car manufacturers that are almost as good as swiping an iPad.

 

[nationalgallery]

I ordered a ‘23 a couple of weeks ago, dealer wrote it up but said the pricing was not available so he used the ‘22 prices and asked me for a deposit to guarantee that price. I also have an x-plan number, but now I suspect that pricing will be based on the ‘23 invoice and may actually be higher than the ‘22 price he gave me. Hmmm.

If he accepted payment from you in return for an order with a specified guaranteed price and does not plan to honor that guarantee, you should have him cancel the order, return your deposit, and head (run) to another dealer. I would also file a complaint with corporate, and see if they might be able to offer a price accommodation.

Many dealers do not ask for a deposit — I wasn't asked for one on my '22 order.

 

[rvmode]

If he accepted payment from you in return for an order with a specified guaranteed price and does not plan to honor that guarantee, you should have him cancel the order, return your deposit, and head (run) to another dealer. I would also file a complaint with corporate, and see if they might be able to offer a price accommodation.

Many dealers do not ask for a deposit — I wasn't asked for one on my '22 order.

I have a different view, especially as it relates to your advice to "file a complaint" and "cancel the order." WannabeMtb has an X plan PIN so he'll be paying 3-4k less than whatever the pricing on his 2023 order ends up being so he's ahead of the game. This is a sellers market and Dealers sell the cars. "Corporate" does their best to supply them and support them.

A good deal is when both parties are happy enough to do business. If he follows your suggestion he may get a slightly better deal in writing, but be delayed months in having the opportunity to actually do business and move onto the fun part of ownership. My suggestion is that he continues to work with the dealer he shook hands with and stay the course.

Two things can be true at the same time. Both your advice and my advice may be "right."

 

[nationalgallery]

I have a different view, especially as it relates to your advice to "file a complaint" and "cancel the order." WannabeMtb has an X plan PIN so he'll be paying 3-4k less than whatever the pricing on his 2023 order ends up being so he's ahead of the game. This is a sellers market and Dealers sell the cars. "Corporate" does their best to supply them and support them.

A good deal is when both parties are happy enough to do business. If he follows your suggestion he may get a slightly better deal in writing, but be delayed months in having the opportunity to actually do business and move onto the fun part of ownership. My suggestion is that he continues to work with the dealer he shook hands with and stay the course.

Two things can be true at the same time. Both your advice and my advice may be "right."

Wouldn't he get that same discount if the dealer honored the '22 price? if so he's out ~$3.5K from that 'guaranteed' price. If he goes to another dealer he only loses a couple weeks from his current order.

If a dealer makes a guarantee and then reneges, it's a red flag; I personally wouldn't trust working with a dealer or any business that has proven untrustworthy. If they don't honor anything they say you don't know what kind of crap they might pull when the car is finally delivered and you need to finalize the purchase.

 

[DRW315]

If he accepted payment from you in return for an order with a specified guaranteed price and does not plan to honor that guarantee [emphasis mine]

I don't think that was the concern. John is concerned whether his X-plan discount applies to the current negotiated price (based on MY22), or whether it only applies to the invoice price of his actual MY23 vehicle.

JohnSC has a 'guaranteed' price based on the 22MY pricing - but it sounds like this doesn't include the X-Plan discount. If X-plan pricing is based on factory invoice of the actual vehicle purchased, the X-plan discount may not apply to the price JohnSC has already negotiated with the dealer.

So it comes down to whether the 22MY price John has locked in without X-plan pricing will be a better deal than MY23 pricing with X-plan pricing.

 

[mrmustang]

So it comes down to whether the 22MY price John has locked in without X-plan pricing will be a better deal than MY23 pricing with X-plan pricing.

X-Plan is 2% over true dealer cost (there are processes in place to keep the dealer honest here) at time the contract is signed by both the buyer and the dealer. If a price increase occurs, the original price is protected.

As stated before, Ford will kick back 6% to the dealer, for taking the X-Plan order (not all dealers will) after delivery so that the dealer makes an honest 8% on the sale. There may be additional internal benefits to the dealership, depending on how many "plan" orders they write and successfully deliver in a calendar year.

Bill S.

 

[steve3591]

So my 1-5-22 platinum max 2 wheel drive bench second row and heavy tow is now scheduled for 9-26 production. So does that mean that it will be a 23 not a 22.

 

[GTRedneck]

X-Plan is 2% over true dealer cost (there are processes in place to keep the dealer honest here) at time the contract is signed by both the buyer and the dealer. If a price increase occurs, the original price is protected.

As stated before, Ford will kick back 6% to the dealer, for taking the X-Plan order (not all dealers will) after delivery so that the dealer makes an honest 8% on the sale. There may be additional internal benefits to the dealership, depending on how many "plan" orders they write and successfully deliver in a calendar year.

Bill S.

Always double check your dealers numbers too. Mine came to me with the current X-Plan numbers when I picked up on Labor Day and I said I want them to honor the February price level when I ordered and They apologized and fixed it.

 

[nationalgallery]

So my 1-5-22 platinum max 2 wheel drive bench second row and heavy tow is now scheduled for 9-26 production. So does that mean that it will be a 23 not a 22.

It will be a '22, but you can check with VIN and dealer order number on https://ordertrack.app/

 

[PhoenixRizez]

It will be a '22, but you can check with VIN and dealer order number on https://ordertrack.app/

Mine is a Limited 304A 4x4 and is also scheduled for build the week of 9/26, and it’s still showing up as a 2022. Based on the Ford build-scheduling document someone posted a couple weeks ago, it looks like ours will likely be the last group of 2022s.

 

[Chi6488]

F'king Ford. 3/31 order date. Limited 304A 2wd

Originally scheduled 8/12
Then 9/12
Then 9/19
This morning 9/28

 

[dlcorbett]

F'king Ford. 3/31 order date. Limited 304A 2wd

Originally scheduled 8/12
Then 9/12
Then 9/19
This morning 9/28

You rele shouldn't be upset. These shipping delays aren't new, and many people who ordered last yr when the order banks opened still don't have their trucks.

 

[DRW315]

4x4 Regular Limited Stealth Performance 304A in Dark Matter Metallic

Email Timeline:
2022-02-22 Order Confirmed
2022-06-30 Scheduled for Production: Aug. 8
2022-07-19 Scheduled for Production: Sept. 5
2022-08-02 Scheduled for Production: Sept. 19
2022-09-06 Scheduled for Production: Sept. 12

2022-09-13 Scheduled for Production: Sept. 19

Boooooo Ford! But hey, I'll be happy if it actually gets built next week.

 

[8131full]

2022-09-13 Scheduled for Production: Sept. 19

Boooooo Ford! But hey, I'll be happy if it actually gets built next week.

Mine is scheduled for next week, too. I really have my doubts, though. If it gets pushed again, i'm cancelling my order and will wait for redesign.

 

[JohnSC]

X-Plan is 2% over true dealer cost (there are processes in place to keep the dealer honest here) at time the contract is signed by both the buyer and the dealer. If a price increase occurs, the original price is protected.

As stated before, Ford will kick back 6% to the dealer, for taking the X-Plan order (not all dealers will) after delivery so that the dealer makes an honest 8% on the sale. There may be additional internal benefits to the dealership, depending on how many "plan" orders they write and successfully deliver in a calendar year.

Bill S.

Thanks for all the discussion. We just recently moved (800 miles, different state) and it was really expensive to bring a car into South Carolina so we sold one of them rather than paying the $800-$900 it would have cost to register it here on top of $750 to ship it. So we are suffering with one car right now. The intent was always to replace that one with an Expedition (or something else in the class that can tow 6000-8000 pounds safely) to let us do a bit of traveling.

So anything that delays the arrival of another vehicle is not gong to be welcome. I checked a lot of dealers in SC before finding one that would honor the x-plan on a factory order (none would talk about it on an in stock vehicle). So I am really tied to this dealer and this order. I will have a long talk with them about future business if I get any bad decisions when the vehicle gets here.