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That is the best approach! Every service department is different. Mine doesn’t care.
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Catch Can!
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That is the best approach! Every service department is different. Mine doesn’t care.
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Savannah Dan
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Silly Machete! I had a catch can on my '97 Z28. LOL
Boostedbus
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I bought mine for around $350.00 but I got a better deal because I bought 2 kits. The other kit was for my cousins F150. I could see where it would be more of a no-brainer to buy this kit especially if you were in a really cold climate and even had to worry about the can freezing up from too much water in it. But in my climate (MD) it’s not as big of a deal with only a couple months of cold weather.
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Would have gone for the RXP for $350, but still might not, because I don’t think I should have to pay $100 extra for Aluminum vs Plastic, especially at that price point. Again, good stuff, just overpriced.
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Bottom line, get a catch can of some sort if you have a 15-17 EB Powered Expy. Just a good level of easy insurance.
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chuck s
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Cold weather seems worse.
I drained my JLT can 18 Dec 19 and again yesterday. Less than 300 miles and the can had 1/2" of milky liquid in the bottom. Coffee with cream looking.
Since installing this 6300 miles ago I've drained about 10 ounces from it. And one time a few months ago the can was completely full so I don't know really how much went straight past the can. (Date data misplaced but I recorded the amount.)
-- Chuck
I drained my JLT can 18 Dec 19 and again yesterday. Less than 300 miles and the can had 1/2" of milky liquid in the bottom. Coffee with cream looking.
Since installing this 6300 miles ago I've drained about 10 ounces from it. And one time a few months ago the can was completely full so I don't know really how much went straight past the can. (Date data misplaced but I recorded the amount.)
-- Chuck
My logic is that it’s illogical to place a teeny weeny 6 cylinder and force air through it to compensate for its teeny weeny di...
Then add to that stupidity they direct inject gas into the combustion chambers and the valve train gets bathed in milky gunky goo. Ergo da catch can.
All this in a TRUCK. WTF?
Please note the new 7.3 gasser is not a VVT but a good ole pusher w single cam UNLIKE the teeny weeny v6 economy boost motor.
Just sayin
JExpedition07
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The 7.3L Godzilla engine DOES have Variable Cam Timing via camphaser
JExpedition07
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Read into the new 7.3L and you will also see it is already outfitted for easy addition of Direct Injection in the coming years. That’s right, the engineers already designed the engine and made placement for its addition. Direct injection will come to this engine in addition to the VCT. It’s not an old 460 whether one likes it or not...
I have followed its development since the beginning on SVT performance with Ford racing insiders as providers. I’ve also talked to 5Star Tuning about this engine, they have ordered 3 of them and it produces great gains with its VCT and software with their programs. This engine has the ability to also advance ignition timing to take advantage of higher octane fuels.....Direct Injection will come.
I have followed its development since the beginning on SVT performance with Ford racing insiders as providers. I’ve also talked to 5Star Tuning about this engine, they have ordered 3 of them and it produces great gains with its VCT and software with their programs. This engine has the ability to also advance ignition timing to take advantage of higher octane fuels.....Direct Injection will come.
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You entertain me immensely.
You bring up a Motor from the Super Duty line as an example. Something that will never be used in a 1/2 Ton SUV. The example you used before the HEMI, You were wrong about...can’t even stick to your original talking points.
If I was buying another 250(Which by the way I owned for 11 Years) I would consider a 7.3, but would most likely do the 6.7L Diesel...cause well Diesel and Turbo!
EVERY Modern engine with a PCV system has the gunk...so not really something you can blame on 2 less cylinders or the Turbo. The DI is an issue, but the Gen 2 EB’s solve that by adding PI also(best of both worlds). The DI is yet again not the 2 less cylinders or the Turbo’s fault.
It’s like you are defined by the number of cylinders in your vehicle.
I am VERY happy with my weeny V6 with 2 Turbos, in both my SUV’s. Nothing in their class can run with them under pretty much any circumstances! Both Towing and around the town. Plus easy to make even quicker.
If you don’t like the EB motors kindly move on out of a thread dedicated pretty much to the EB.
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J, Please don’t bring facts or logic...that is pointless.
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There ya go with more facts...because the best of both worlds is the solution.
Also, I am sure he doesn’t want to hear that they used a lot of the same materials tech developed on the current PS and EB motors to build the 7.3.
It’s intention is to be a work horse for the HD line.
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JExpedition07
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lol I just had to correct that misinformation since I have followed this engine so closely since it’s teething stages.
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JExpedition07
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Also want to add this, realize in the case of the EcoBoost direct injection is a safer bet than say just port injection (esp to run on 87). With higher cylinder pressures and more heat direct injection helps to ward off detonation. Detonation makes quick work of melting piston rings. The only other way to ward this off is to retard ignition timing ~ would lose power (NOT wanted when towing). Catch can helps catch what DI can’t wash off. I’ve experienced detonation when I bought my boat. The owner filled it with 87 octane to be nice on day of sale (required 93 octane) that was one not fun and slow boat ride to the marina.
Our engines whether 5.4 Triton or 3.5 EcoBoost have knock sensors and simply will retard ignition timing to stop this unlike old boats lol. I’m a fan of VCT overall, my dad had an ‘08 van with the 5.4 2V, that engine died off in the upper revs. My 5.4 3V pulls nice all the way to redline because the VCT increases the intake valve clearance as you get into the revs. At least it has some power up there, something the van lacked in a sense.
Our engines whether 5.4 Triton or 3.5 EcoBoost have knock sensors and simply will retard ignition timing to stop this unlike old boats lol. I’m a fan of VCT overall, my dad had an ‘08 van with the 5.4 2V, that engine died off in the upper revs. My 5.4 3V pulls nice all the way to redline because the VCT increases the intake valve clearance as you get into the revs. At least it has some power up there, something the van lacked in a sense.
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jeff kushner
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Careful with the application of methane.....while an excellent heat remover, it's only second to nitrous for stripping oil off the cylinder walls.
JE reads a lot.....it's easy to tell....and he has an excellent memory.
Detonation is MUCH than knocking.....here's a set of motorcycle heads that has experienced detonation............
The engine they come from has no valves....that damage was all done by gases....THAT is what detonation does!
Sorry for the bad pic.
jeff
JE reads a lot.....it's easy to tell....and he has an excellent memory.
Detonation is MUCH than knocking.....here's a set of motorcycle heads that has experienced detonation............
The engine they come from has no valves....that damage was all done by gases....THAT is what detonation does!
Sorry for the bad pic.
jeff
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Meth is bad...Sorry. That is the mantra I have always lived by on a street vehicle.
If you want added cooling and more power mix a little E in.
Just install a catch can instead of a complicated second fuel delivery system.
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WakeZone
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This interweb thingy says it is located where the passenger side hose is connected on the lower side. I haven't pulled mine but would think it should seal fairly well with positive pressure on the intake side. Any little bit of crud on the valve seat might allow extra flow that wouldn't normally be there. Not sayin... just sayin.
Needing to empty catch cans more in the winter is interesting. Florida humidity averages about 80%+... Great-Aunt Flo is gonna have to learn to feed herself, I gotta go check my catch can.
More moisture in winter is due to the lower ambient temp. As the engine cools after shutting it off, there are open spaces in the engine that are full of air. When the surfaces inside the engine cool to and below the dew point, the water vapor in the air will condense and eventually find its way as water into the oil sump. The colder the ambient temp, the more water vapor will condense.
The metric to watch on the news is when they talk about the dew point temp. Thats when the water gets added to your engine.
iamretired
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Would installing a catch can Void an extended esp warranty? Or create problems getting some things fixed?
