Engine Swap

[toms89]

Well...you know my choice. The lightning motor is the easiest most cost effective way to get significant power in an Expy. Mates right up to everything. These blocks are pretty much bullet proof once you put some decent rods in and either go to later 8 thread pi heads or tfs.

Heres a poor quality video of a ford lightning forum member running 8th mile. Panda.. he has a twin turbo 4v motor. It runs 8's in the 1/4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvS88HeBdik

 

[Expeditionary]

i like the 6.0L but i have heard they are just Sh*t engines... and i think that the 6.0 would fit the best because it is the smallest of all the ford diesels so its a paradox.

The lightning swap would be sick but I really want to be different

 

[99 Expy]

In all reality, you would have much more cash and time left over if you stay with the 5.4, but it all depends on what you want in the end. Are you going for power? Torque? or to be different? With a lightning swap, you would have plenty of power to do what you want without a lot of work. A diesel would give you good power and torque, but the biggest things to overcome would be the complicated wiring and weight. The 6.0 is not necessarily a bad motor. I've been around 6.0s that are straight out horrible, and others that have over 200k on them and have pulled pretty much everyday and have rarely been in the shop. Stay away from the 2003/4 6.0 and change out the studs and delete the EGR and you will be doing pretty well. My dad's 6.0 with 5" exhaust has plenty of power, hasn't been in the shop, and sounds like a damn jet engine when you get on it!

 

[jacks3am]

once you eliminate 6.0's flaws nothing beats them when they have the torqshift behind them! they are hp and tq machines!

 

[BakerEdition]

what the scoop on ford V-10 would that even fit?

 

[rburch]

once you eliminate 6.0's flaws nothing beats them when they have the torqshift behind them! they are hp and tq machines!

Agree 1000%!

 

[99 Expy]

what the scoop on ford V-10 would that even fit?

http://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/443018-99-expedition-v10-swap.html

As far as the 6.0, I think it would be one hell of a swap if you could get it to all fit in. They are fast and fun, even in my grandpa's F350 dually, it throws you back in the seat when the turbo spools up. The 5 speed torqshift is a great tranny too. If you got a 6.0 to fit and work out the suspension, your next problem would probably be getting all of the torque to the ground without twisting the frame.... 570 foot pounds on a stock motor is a bit of a step up from the 5.4

 

[jacks3am]

box the frame, figure out the electronics, throw a dana 60 under the front and in the back and a selectable locker and be done, or a 4bt swap!

 

[panda24619]

box the frame, figure out the electronics, throw a dana 60 under the front and in the back and a selectable locker and be done, or a 4bt swap!

no need for the rear. the ford 9.75 is a d60. with limited differences. the tube might be bigger, but the wall thickness is smaller. with some upgrades its a bulletproof axle. new axle shafts, locker, gears, and your good to go.

 

[Expeditionary]

if i do this (probably wont) but if i do. It'll be the v10 it just fits and works too well to not do that. Ill do perfomance parts, pistons, rods, crank, heads, exhaust, bore it 30 or 40 over and Straight pipe it. By then it will probably have been solid axled and converted from a DD to a dedicated off roader and "look at me i gotta big ass truck". thinkin a 44 on 44s lol for the front. Leafed instead of coiled. redo the rear and run some crazy low (like 5.88 or 6.11) gears for it so she'll launch like a race car.

I just need like 10k and ill be good

 

[Expeditionary]

again just spit ballin and sayin Sh*t......

 

[simjet22]

i would go diesel

 

[BakerEdition]

Silicone Hoses

Does anyone know of a supplier that sell silicone hoses for the cooling system..i.e. upper and lower rad hose, heater hose...

 

[blakhwk]

ive been thinkin about doing an engine swap in my 2003 expy for a ford racing crate motor but im not sure what to do or what would even fit. whatever gives me the most all around power for those stoplight challenges against those tahoes. lol

 

[outkast]

I saw a post the other day on a cummins 4bt site. basically niether of the psd's will fit, they are 3.25 inches too wide, the cummins from a ram is too tall, and the older sbf will make you lose all your electronical crap.

the guy managed a 4bt swap in his 2001 expy, I beleive that is the 4cyl diesel from fed ex and ups vans. he got everything to work except the speedometer and had to convert it to a 5 speed.

your best, and only choice in my opinion is the 5.4 lighting, or a N/A built 4.6 or 5.4

what about Cobra 4.6? are they the same block as our 4.6's?

this is just my .02

 

[junior73]

I saw a post the other day on a cummins 4bt site. basically niether of the psd's will fit, they are 3.25 inches too wide, the cummins from a ram is too tall, and the older sbf will make you lose all your electronical crap.

the guy managed a 4bt swap in his 2001 expy, I beleive that is the 4cyl diesel from fed ex and ups vans. he got everything to work except the speedometer and had to convert it to a 5 speed.

your best, and only choice in my opinion is the 5.4 lighting, or a N/A built 4.6 or 5.4

what about Cobra 4.6? are they the same block as our 4.6's?

this is just my .02

He ran the 5-spd because he didn't want to pay for the adapter plate or the box to control the transmission. The 4BT will bolt up to the auto, it just costs more money. And his is an 03, supposedly the swap is way simpler in a 1st gen.

 

[SourMashII]

I would think so.. (on the first gen being easier, they are not as of "intelligent" of a vehicle) he has been my inspiration for "next" on the wife's rig. I want to go Isuzu NPR 3.9, smoother better motor than the 4bt, but.. the Isuzu Swapper Adapter guy, caters to small block Chev and Windsor bell patterns, not Triton. So i want to keep the 6 speed, 4BT it is.

And regarding his choice of 5 speed, I think he also wanted the 5 speed, as his platform was increased mpg. In my humble opinion, his fail was he used the weaker Mazda 5 speed, found in Ford half tons from 87-^ death of a manual, and XXXplodingers/Rangers. I have seen a 4.0 v-6 wreck that trans, Lord knows what a 4bt will do to it.

The ZF was offered in a windsor bell pattern, found in .75/1t Ferd trucks, 87-96/7 with a Windsor patterned engine, e.g. 4.9,5.0 or 5.8.

 

[outkast]

IIRC it was both, money and the fact that the final ratio in the 5 speed would give him lower rpms at cruise speed. He was shooting for 1800ish rpm at 60 and didnt want to do a gear change.

he had to do alot of cutting to the oil pan to get it to clear the crossmember too....a crapload of work in my opinion for a 130 hp diesel.

He did a great job being the guy to go for it, but I just think its to much work for 18mpg city and 24 hwy....

 

[junior73]

IIRC it was both, money and the fact that the final ratio in the 5 speed would give him lower rpms at cruise speed. He was shooting for 1800ish rpm at 60 and didnt want to do a gear change.

he had to do alot of cutting to the oil pan to get it to clear the crossmember too....a crapload of work in my opinion for a 130 hp diesel.

He did a great job being the guy to go for it, but I just think its to much work for 18mpg city and 24 hwy....

There was a lot of fab involved, that's for sure. I've thought about it more than once, but I'm thinking more along the lines of running either black diesel or veggie oil.

 

[2000eb]

just thought i would chime in for the not gonna put a cummins in a ford. the cummins engine was designed by ford and originally owned by ford they designed the motor for boats. dodge decided they wanted to use the motors in their trucks and started buying them from cummins which in sense is still partially owned by ford. ford still owns a percentage of cummins just cant remember what that percentage is but when gm was being bought by the government and dodge chrysler sold out to fiat ford sold a good chunk of cummins to save their a$$. we all know (or should) that chevy does not own duramax dodge does not own cummins and ford untill recently did not own powerstroke. so technically speaking cummins rightful place should be in a ford. and yes you heard me right dodge sold out to Fiat. you know the company doin all those commercials about the new fiat 500 tiny car. but yes a ford designer did do the original designs on the cummins just a fyi