Expedition takes on Goldmine hill

[JExpedition07]

New TFL vid of expy off roading.

Couple things to note:
-The IRS on these trucks hurts them off road as shown here, poor articulation compared to a solid rear axle (some credit to GM here)
-The 4th gen seems to have less articulation than previous gens (gen 2 having the most) plus it’s slightly longer. This improves on road handling but impedes off road handling.
-Limited slip overheated and disabled itself
-Ford should probably put on some more aggressive tires
-Nice skid plate layout underneath
-Electronic Limited Slip is a nice plus
-Stock painted rims fit the truck nicely both in size and look for off road functionality
-Again, better tires would help!!

At the end of the day it’s a big vehicle, not a bad job but not great. He didn’t make it up stage 3. I think Andre was kind of being a baby because it’s a new truck, could have gotten through that with open diffs with a skilled driver despite the differential slip disabling here. A lot is the drivers skill.....I remember Roman couldn’t get the Raptor up this in the deep snow and then his son got right up with a 1985 Chevy work truck with 2 open diffs and manual hub locks.

 

[JExpedition07]

I also noticed Andre kept calling the eLSD a locker, it’s an electronic limited slip. I think he confused this with F-150s eLD (electronic locking differential). It’s the same LSD you get with the HD tow package, also comes on FX4. It is not a conventional electronic locker like on the F-Series.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...l/pdf/guides/18RV&TT_Ford_Expedition_Oct5.pdf

 

[benyl]

It’s a locker. It has a locking button.

From the 2018 owners manual.

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA

LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL

The Electronic Limited Slip Differential (eLSD) system directs torque, enabling the vehicle to drive over terrain and road conditions that a conventional axle cannot. The system is active at all times and requires no input from the driver.
Note: If your vehicle is not at optimal operating conditions or a system fault is present, a warning may be displayed in the instrument cluster. Depending on the warning, your vehicle may need to be serviced. For more information regarding the system information messages,See Information Messages.

Locking Function
The lock button engages ‘locker mode’.
With the locker engaged, the system electronically locks the differential causing both half shafts to turn at the same rate. This increases traction during off road events.
The locker mode may automatically disengage based on certain conditions such as vehicle speed. When engaged, a telltale in the instrument cluster will illuminate amber and the switch button will be illuminated. When the speed is exceeded the telltale will turn gray, the locker will be disengaged and be in standby mode until the speed conditions are met. If the eLSD system is faulted and the locker cannot engage, a warning message will be displayed in the instrument cluster and the switch button will flash.


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[JExpedition07]

It’s a locker. It has a locking button.

From the 2018 owners manual.

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&userMarket=USA

LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL

The Electronic Limited Slip Differential (eLSD) system directs torque, enabling the vehicle to drive over terrain and road conditions that a conventional axle cannot. The system is active at all times and requires no input from the driver.
Note: If your vehicle is not at optimal operating conditions or a system fault is present, a warning may be displayed in the instrument cluster. Depending on the warning, your vehicle may need to be serviced. For more information regarding the system information messages,See Information Messages.

Locking Function
The lock button engages ‘locker mode’.
With the locker engaged, the system electronically locks the differential causing both half shafts to turn at the same rate. This increases traction during off road events.
The locker mode may automatically disengage based on certain conditions such as vehicle speed. When engaged, a telltale in the instrument cluster will illuminate amber and the switch button will be illuminated. When the speed is exceeded the telltale will turn gray, the locker will be disengaged and be in standby mode until the speed conditions are met. If the eLSD system is faulted and the locker cannot engage, a warning message will be displayed in the instrument cluster and the switch button will flash.


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Good explanation thanks for link! It appears it has a “locker mode” that simulates a locker, but still not the same conventional electronic locking diff used in the pickups. Nice nonetheless.

 

[JExpedition07]

Only found 2 other comparable vids on the Armada and Durango. The Armada cleared all stages with ease, the Durango also stopped at stage 3

 

[Black]

I think the tires are a huge inhibiting factor.
Still not horrible for the size of the vehicle.

 

[ExplorerTom]

And I'm sure the genius was running street pressures too. Everyone airs down when doing real 4wheeling.

 

[shane_th_ee]

And I'm sure the genius was running street pressures too. Everyone airs down when doing real 4wheeling.

Yeah, they specifically stated they aired down the tires on the ZR2 for the video also on the home page. But they didn’t on the Expedition because if they had the TPMS idiot light would’ve been on.

 

[rumline]

Yawn. Everybody knows tires (including pressure) and driver skill are the two biggest factors for offroading. Street all season tires and street pressure plus not wanting to push it too hard = failure.

I mean I guess it could make sense to test it "as equipped" but then they shouldn't be airing down tires on any vehicle and they should make that disclaimer "bone stock" or something like that. Then again, testing in a manner that nobody drives these things isn't very useful.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Yawn. Everybody knows tires (including pressure) and driver skill are the two biggest factors for offroading. Street all season tires and street pressure plus not wanting to push it too hard = failure.

I mean I guess it could make sense to test it "as equipped" but then they shouldn't be airing down tires on any vehicle and they should make that disclaimer "bone stock" or something like that. Then again, testing in a manner that nobody drives these things isn't very useful.

Thank you for summing up my opinions on this. I’d have loved to see the Expy bound up that hill like a gazelle, but that’s not really what this thing does...it’s 17.5 feet long! Sure, I expect the Expy to handle some light off-roading, and I think it’s success in stages 1 and 2 of that video show it’s ability to do so, but no one should be buying these things expecting to enter a bouldering competition.

It’d be like making a video to see how well a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon does hauling 7 people, their stuff, and an 8000 pound boat...all while massaging my butt.

 

[edizzle]

It’d be like making a video to see how well a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon does hauling 7 people, their stuff, and an 8000 pound boat...all while massaging my butt.

LOL!!!

 

[aggiegrad05]

Yeah, they specifically stated they aired down the tires on the ZR2 for the video also on the home page. But they didn’t on the Expedition because if they had the TPMS idiot light would’ve been on.

He also has left the drive mode in "Normal" as opposed to one of the various off-road options.

 

[poppie]

Just the thing to do with a NEW $70,000.00 -$80,000.00 truck, when he's done why not take it to the mud bog's and just finish it off ,It might be a rental or the DUDE in the OP is living off of Dad's money & just don't care , most people that bust their xyz to buy a NEW truck would never treat one like he did , unbelievable .

 

[JExpedition07]

Just the thing to do with a NEW $70,000.00 -$80,000.00 truck, when he's done why not take it to the mud bog's and just finish it off ,It might be a rental or the DUDE in the OP is living off of Dad's money & just don't care , most people that bust their xyz to buy a NEW truck would never treat one like he did , unbelievable .

WOW, I think you are in the wrong vehicle segment. An FX4 with skid plates not to be taken off road? LOL! It did fine for the behemoth ut is with an unskilled driver/ street tires. It was a controlled experiment they do all the time, get over it.

 

[gtnator]

GM wised up and decided to spend the extra money on IRS (for 2020) so maybe they could get a smooth ride too. The GM triplets bounce so hard going over small bumps in the road that it’s really uncomfortable.


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[18-FX4-GUY]

Took mine off road yesterday with some deep ruts and drops going on Old Government road in California to Fort Pah-ute that cross washes with big banks. My friends thought at time we where going to high center of nose in on some of them and it did well. Some section of road real bad but made it threw. Cant wait till the Icon lift hits public and be that much better and hoping with proper tires do the full trip.

 

[JExpedition07]

Took mine off road yesterday with some deep ruts and drops going on Old Government road in California that cross washes with big banks, My friends thought at time we where going to high center of nose in on some of them and it did well. Some section of road real bad but made it threw. Cant wait till the Icon lift hits public and be that much better and hoping with proper tires do the full trip.

Nice! Any pics of the expy in action?

 

[Black]

Cant wait till the Icon lift hits public

Do explain?

 

[18-FX4-GUY]

Only one I stopped to take this one because I was so impressed we made it. I should have took it with it right at edge both ways to see the real drop and angle. Hard to tell but was a good size drop down and up that my crew thought we were going to nose in it was like a 2 to 3 foot drop down into the wash and out. That road pic is the distance we traveled. Some parts were real rocky and big whoops that I was close to high centering. Had to take that area slow, big rocks sticking up everywhere and road was pure rocks toward top of journey heading up to fort. Also rear pic you can see in center of bank smooth where the spare did rub ground climbing out of wash.

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[18-FX4-GUY]

LGE CTS Motorsport Expi with there Icon lift.