Just wanted to share a pic of my install. Wasn’t too bad of an experience. There were a few differences due to the install being on an Expedition as opposed to a F-150. Nothing too difficult to accomplish.
Full Race Freak-O-Boost Finally Installed
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Nice... which turbo did you go with? Any other upgrades? Who did the tune? How is the boost threshold?
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Ok… so I’ve got Full Race’s natural finish CAC, mechanical Turbosmart BOV, MAF spacer, and all the new hot/ cold pipes that come with the kit. As well as Full Race’s oil catch can. I’ve got an HP Tune installed by Eddie at Elite Performance and Tune out of Littleton, CO. Let me tell you about this tune… I was so impressed by it when it was initially installed!!! The truck would launch SO HARD that you would think I had a freakin’ Mustang. Over time this performance eroded very badly do to Ford’s poor design.
I would constantly get water/ oil deposits on my manifold sensor. This in turn would make it go into limp mode robbing it just about all it’s power. Made very depressing to drive. Initially I did the “drilled hole” in the intercooler mod. A bunch of crap came out. Performance went back up; briefly. So, decided to do the Full Race catch can as another I tried just wasn’t pulling any contaminates out of the system; it only connected to the PCV side of the engine. Not to mention it kept setting an Open PVC code every so often. Got rid of it, and no more codes. With the Full Race installed I just emptied out about 1/3 of a cup into one of those red plastic Solo cups. That’s the most I’ve ever collected in the short time I’ve had the can on (dealer emptied it during an oil change. I could tell because the handle was greasy, and not in the same stowed position I set it in).
So, upon removal of the old intercooler I had a bunch of water, and oil in it. The fluid you see inside of the intercooler is just a fraction of the total contents; some spilled out during removal. Which completely explains why I couldn’t get an hard accelerations out of it.
I would constantly get water/ oil deposits on my manifold sensor. This in turn would make it go into limp mode robbing it just about all it’s power. Made very depressing to drive. Initially I did the “drilled hole” in the intercooler mod. A bunch of crap came out. Performance went back up; briefly. So, decided to do the Full Race catch can as another I tried just wasn’t pulling any contaminates out of the system; it only connected to the PCV side of the engine. Not to mention it kept setting an Open PVC code every so often. Got rid of it, and no more codes. With the Full Race installed I just emptied out about 1/3 of a cup into one of those red plastic Solo cups. That’s the most I’ve ever collected in the short time I’ve had the can on (dealer emptied it during an oil change. I could tell because the handle was greasy, and not in the same stowed position I set it in).
So, upon removal of the old intercooler I had a bunch of water, and oil in it. The fluid you see inside of the intercooler is just a fraction of the total contents; some spilled out during removal. Which completely explains why I couldn’t get an hard accelerations out of it.
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I got it all buttoned up yesterday. As I head back to work in New York for the new year I’ll be stopping by Elite Performance and Tune for a re-tune. If it drove like a scalded dog before the Full Race upgrade I can only imagine what it will do now!!!
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Any plans to dyno it? Did you go with the 6258 or the 6758 and what A/R? I thought about doing this as an upgrade if/when a turbo fails. Any reason why you went with a catch can over an air oil separator?
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Yes… visiting friends in Colorado Springs this weekend while waiting for my appointment for a re-tune on the dyno this Monday. Te guys at Elite Performance and Tuning in Littleton, CO take care of my dyno/ tuning needs.
The first visit there a couple of years back they turned the Expedition into a beast. Then the dreaded water/ oil mixture in my intercooler turned my truck into crap. I did the Full Race oil catch can as I mentioned earlier. That helped, but I still had to drill into the intercooler to drain it. That helped more, but I still wasn’t satisfied. I finally got the kit I’ve been wanting. Can’t wait to see what numbers I end up with.
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Sorry… I got distracted. Didn’t change turbo’s. I actually had to repair the driver side turbo coolant line as it was leaking. At that point I did contemplate upgrading the turbo’s but it was a bit much to do. Instead I just did that repair; been good since. As far as an air oil separator goes I had the shop that tuned my truck throw one on the PCV side of the motor. I ended up with check engine lights due to PCV issue. As soon as I bypassed it I would not get the check engine light. Also, it would never have anything in it to drain. So I decided to try something different after removing my sensors before, and after the throttle body, to see them saturated in an oily residue; to include the throttle body butterfly, and throat, covered in it as well. The Full Race setup I have is essentially an air/ oil/ water separator as the inside contains a mesh like any other I’ve seen that traps the contaminated air traveling through it. Then you drain it. Like the fact that it’s a larger container so, I don’t have to worry about it over filling in a short time.
An old supervisor had an F-150 he essentially turned into a Raptor with some exterior mods, engine tuning, and engine parts modifications. Don’t quote my numbers but I believe he was in the neighborhood of 550hp and 735 lbs-per/ft tq. Needless to say I would use his trail, and errors, to make my decisions on what mods to do. The interesting thing I found out when starting this going on 5 yrs now is that the 2016 F-150 and Expedition are not as similar to each other as one might believe. Example being the very first mod I did was swapped out the OEM take-off 20in wheels from his 2016 to my 2016. Didn’t work in the rear!!! Shafts on the rear half-shafts protruded through the center cap hole. Took me about 30-45min to remedy that. Then took it in to have the TPMS sensors mated to the truck… nope. Not compatible. Had to buy new ones. Then I found out about something else when I try for the next mod. Not a lot of things out there for our trucks listed.
Hell, the guys at Full Race were surprised when I stopped by to get some smaller stickers to put on my truck (they give you a bunch in the kit that are huge). They told me they didn’t make a kit for the Expedition; doesn’t work. I point to my truck in the parking lot… told them, “…yeah, it does. And, I didn’t have to remove the front grille to install it, relocate the horn, or anything else for that matter.
Hell, I got way off the original topic. As far as the catch can goes I’ve been picking up oil, water, etc inside of it since mounting (another item Full Race did not intend for my truck; no mounting provisions on the firewall like the F-150 has for it). So, I feel it’s doing what it’s suppose to do.
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Ok, here are the results of my dyno…
Numbers came in at 409hp and 631lbs per/ft tq.
Numbers came in at 409hp and 631lbs per/ft tq.
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I’m pretty good with those numbers. Only other thing I want to do is add a Full Race CAI. Don’t think the numbers will change much, if at all, because we opened the air box to simulate a CAI installed.
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Thanks for sharing! Now that my warranty is up, I may consider pulling the trigger on this in the future.
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JasonH,
That’s basically what I was waiting for as well. Though I do have a third party extended warranty I decided what the hell!!! Only live once. Not to mention it’s not coming outta Ford’s pocket at this point, so they shouldn’t care.
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Forgot to mention those numbers are at the rear wheels. My math might be a little off, but being modest I think that’s about 471hp and 724lbs pr/ft of torque at the flywheel.
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If you have a Bluetooth dongle, do a 1/4 mile run. I would be curious to know what kind of acceleration numbers it puts up.
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Did this kit come with inconel studs for the manifold? I think I have a manifold leak. If I have to get the manifold replaced I'd like to try and get the Full Race installation hardware.
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What model year f150 kit did you use? I’ve been looking at that kit for a while for my 16 king ranch
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That would be for the 11-14 f150
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That's a solid tq#! I bet It always feels like your in the power with that much tq?
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Had Steve, it feels really good. Especially noticeable on the highway. When I’m cruising at 65-70mph, and then I put my foot in it a little, the acceleration is really strong. Very noticeable difference from stock!!!
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Here you go…
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I can’t find the other sheet. We did it again after the temperature got a bit warmer. Those numbers were early in the morning in Colorado… in December. The dyno was still cold; this can play with the final numbers according to the tuner. Damn it… I thought I got the updated sheet. Any how… you get the idea.
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