I have cam phaser issue :(

[flying68]

The internal water pump is only on the transverse mounted 3.5L engines due to packaging requirements. The longitudinal 3.5L engines have external water pump rotating assemblies.

https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/engine/engine-cooling/pump-assy-water-6500483-1

 

[flying68]

 

[Fozzy]

I just bought a 2020 Aviator this year. It has the new 400HP 3.0 EB in it. I wonder where the water pump is on that thing? There is something to be said about bigger HP numbers in smaller cars like, “HELL YA”. But it appears to come at a price of serviceability. Funny thing about the Flex is it got pretty good reviews in 2011 for a Ford. We will soon be complaining about the battery life and motor failures in our new Expy’s and us old guys will be like “do you remember everyone crying about the cam phasers? We had no clue how good we had it”.


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[rjdelp7]

Do you drive a flex? The Expy has a 3.5l EcoBoost. Unless they have changed something it doesn’t look to bad.



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The 5.0l is very similar to EB water pump. Maybe a 1 hour job.

 

[Vipersinu2]

Thank goodness we can change the water pump easily, and its not internal.

 

[Soliyou]

Yeah, I searched the water pump replacement before taking the decision to buy the Expy. Made sure it is external. Internal pumps have been proven catastrophic but they have been Used by other manufacturers in the past.

 

[Soliyou]

Regarding the cam phasers issue:

- I think you all need to address it If it happens. The loud rattle means metal parts are hitting each other - which is never good for an engine. This could produce shavings that lead to further damage. I am not an expert though!

- Ford most probably went with a plastic pin to reduce the wear on the Cam phaser gear due to the pin striking the phaser body when it locks. This wear causes very similar rattle on start up on Hondas and Toyotas — but at considerably high mileage.

- I like the expedition and the Ecoboost lineup. I support Ford for being forward thinking and on par with German manufacturers in terms of engine and transmission technology. I am just wondering how come that the phaser Pin failure didn’t show up during engine Development and testing ?!

 

[flying68]

I just bought a 2020 Aviator this year. It has the new 400HP 3.0 EB in it. I wonder where the water pump is on that thing? There is something to be said about bigger HP numbers in smaller cars like, “HELL YA”. But it appears to come at a price of serviceability. Funny thing about the Flex is it got pretty good reviews in 2011 for a Ford. We will soon be complaining about the battery life and motor failures in our new Expy’s and us old guys will be like “do you remember everyone crying about the cam phasers? We had no clue how good we had it”.


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Externally on the front as it is a longitudinal engine. I had a 2012 Explorer with the NA 3.5L. I had 160,000+ on it, not a single drop of coolant lost, but I was getting real nervous before I traded it for the Expedition.

 

[JExpedition07]

Regarding the cam phasers issue:

I support Ford for being forward thinking and on par with German manufacturers in terms of engine and transmission technology. I am just wondering how come that the phaser Pin failure didn’t show up during engine Development and testing ?!

I’m about as German as you can get but I won’t buy a German car lol....the Germans and Italians make some pretty bad cars these days. It seems after 5 years you can expect 30 trouble codes and 8 dash lights....the dealer says you can either spend $16,000 on maintenance or trade in. No thanks. I think Japanese cars would be my seconds choice if I didn’t buy American brands....they are pretty basic but I like their long term outlook and the way they perfect mechanical systems for their customers rather than focus on rushing new stuff to market. More evolution than revolution with them.

 

[Gumby]

I just bought a 2020 Aviator this year. It has the new 400HP 3.0 EB in it. I wonder where the water pump is on that thing? There is something to be said about bigger HP numbers in smaller cars like, “HELL YA”. But it appears to come at a price of serviceability. Funny thing about the Flex is it got pretty good reviews in 2011 for a Ford. We will soon be complaining about the battery life and motor failures in our new Expy’s and us old guys will be like “do you remember everyone crying about the cam phasers? We had no clue how good we had it”.


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We had a 2010 Flex Ecoboost...one of the first ones in my city (if not the first) as we had to factory order. That thing at the time was literally a SHO wagon. No major issues and sold it 2 years later (dumb move lol) for an 2012 Infiniti QX56. Couldn't get rid of that fast enough (electrical issues galore) migrated back to Ford (Lincoln) with an MKT that my wife drives and now I have the Expy. I do put lots of mileage on my Expy as I just topped 100,000 kms in my 2018, but I do see a few more issues with this Ecoboost than my MKT EB which is up at 121,000 kms.

 

[Calidad]

Regarding the cam phasers issue:

- I think you all need to address it If it happens. The loud rattle means metal parts are hitting each other - which is never good for an engine. This could produce shavings that lead to further damage. I am not an expert though!

- Ford most probably went with a plastic pin to reduce the wear on the Cam phaser gear due to the pin striking the phaser body when it locks. This wear causes very similar rattle on start up on Hondas and Toyotas — but at considerably high mileage.

- I like the expedition and the Ecoboost lineup. I support Ford for being forward thinking and on par with German manufacturers in terms of engine and transmission technology. I am just wondering how come that the phaser Pin failure didn’t show up during engine Development and testing ?!

Like most issues today it’s probably a parts maker that changed the material being used in the part. All auto makers seem to be having issues with parts makers changing materials used in internal parts as a result you’ll get a batch of cars that are fine and the next week you’ll get a batch of cars with issues.

 

[Louis Gentry]

I have a 2013 expedition limited and it has 158,000 . The check engine light came on yesterday and I went to autozone to read the code p0349 . The sound just started. I came to the forums to see has any dealt with this before . I can’t be to upset because this has been a good truck . The clearance that I have around the engine make it much easier to work on my self . The job is a bit tedious, but doable . Out of all of the treads and how to videos I have watched . I will only use OME Ford parts . I will update with pics as I finish and rate the job .

 

[TimmyTan]

I had my Cam Phasers replaced as well. Dealer didn't put up a fight. Takes about 2 solid days. I believe they allow 9 hours of labor. Wow what a difference. Didn't realize how much the timing was off until this repair was made. Runs so much better now. Be ready to put up a fight if you still have the noise after the repair. My 2018 wasn't just the Cam Phasers, I also had a bad Turbo. Please check out fordtechmakuloco on YouTube, he has videos to address both issues. The waste gate in the 3.5 Turbos hinge fails and causes a lot of noises like the cam chain. I had to file a complaint with Ford Corporate to get them to replace the noisy turbo. Like a new vehicle now. Best of Luck with the repairs.

 

[Big_Mac]

Hello? A loose HEAT SHIELD, is a safety issue.

A "rattling" heat shield does not necessarily mean that it is in danger of falling off. In fact, most exhaust heat shields that rattle aren't actually at any risk of falling off. They usually rattle because of welds that are slightly too short or bands that are slightly too loose. Neither of those causes are actually very likely to result in a detached heat shield. They fix these things under warranty because, statistically, squeaks and rattles are surprisingly large factors in customers choosing different brand in the future.

 

[duneslider]

Hello? A loose HEAT SHIELD, is a safety issue.

Maybe some are but most are not a safety issue, I have had a rattling heat shield on my jeep for abut 180k miles now. Keep hoping it would fall off. I have a stainless hose clamp on it now and that seems to be working pretty good to keep it quiet. Jeep didn't give a crap when I took it in, they said no warranty on exhaust system. They said I probably hit it on a rock and broke the little weld. Might be true...gas tank skid was a "little" beat up...

 

[Calvincoolidge]

I had to read through to realize this is aka the cold start rattle. Been mentioned on here a lot. Mine does it as well. I’m in no hurry to get it fixed. I am starting a list and will get it knocked out all at once.

 

[TheDoug]

Thanks for all the cam phaser info everyone and man and I am very glad to hear our water pump is not internal!

 

[Bow512]

My 2018 wasn't just the Cam Phasers, I also had a bad Turbo. Please check out fordtechmakuloco on YouTube, he has videos to address both issues. The waste gate in the 3.5 Turbos hinge fails and causes a lot of noises like the cam chain. I had to file a complaint with Ford Corporate to get them to replace the noisy turbo. Like a new vehicle now. Best of Luck with the repairs.

I forgot about that. Both of mine started rattling a lot at part throttle around 25k. They also replaced both of mine at the same time as the phasers as well. It wasn’t an issue for me to get that done.

 

[Vipersinu2]

How many miles did you have on your truck when the repair took place?

 

[texevora]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't cam phasers one of the most common and potentially catastrophic problems on the previous-gen Expeditions? (I had a '12 Expedition Limited before my current '19 Limited)

If that's the case, did FoMoCo seriously not address this problem at all when they redesigned for the current-gen?