New head unit install

[Jeffrey Routman]

After researching through this forums and going through a number of different threads, I’m really just trying to get down to the basic answer.

I want to get rid of the four-inch sync system and upgrade it to a Apple CarPlay double din touchscreen unit. I have plenty of experience in custom wiring so if I need to run some lines To set up a new backup camera that works with the unit that’s not an issue.

What I need to find out is if this is possible to just do an old-school install? I don’t care about the steering wheel controls or the rear controls.

 

[Aspen03]

What generation are we talking about?

Assuming under a 2015 you can do pretty much whatever you want. On the 07+ models the harness will just take care of the steering wheel controls and the like as part of the package. RSE is sometimes retained, just depends on exactly what is there and what wiring harness is used. If you're going carplay and all that you're going to want a decent harness as it just makes the job that much easier and clean, less room for error as well. The PAC and Maestro Harnesses will give nav outputs like speed sense, parking brake etc right there instead of running dedicated wires to every point.

"Old School" is technically possible with anything if you want to run new power, accessory, etc but its more effort than its worth in most cases. A 1st or 2nd gen would be closest to old school as you'll get before things got pushed onto CAN.

Existing backup cam can traditionally be integrated into most radios, jusy need to splice in a male RCA plug or purchase an adapter if available for your year and connect it to the right input on your new radio.

 

[Jeffrey Routman]

Sorry thought it said in my sig. it’s a 16

 

[Aspen03]

Not really any options unless you're spending some big money or going to completely rewire the entire system and mount the radio somewhere other than the dash.

 

[Jeffrey Routman]

I guess I don’t understand, what is so special that’s going on with the factory head unit? Is it controlling other systems within the truck. Or are we talking about the area that it’s going to fit into needs some special molded trim piece to make it look right? I’ve dealt with similar things like this in the past where I installed an amp to run the speakers and ran speaker wire and straight from the head unitBut I don’t want to mess anything up if we’re talking about things that are connected to the AC the computer cruise control things of that nature.

 

[Aspen03]

It controls quite a bit, there isn't a replacement "kit" for it like the F150. When you remove that display and the trim bezel all of your buttons/controls go with.

If you wanted to do a remotely mounted radio and run dedicated wires its possible, just have to find a suitable place but I can't really imagine anywhere it could be placed and still be able to see the screen without some serious effort.

How much space is below? I haven't been in one in awhile. Perhaps you could figure out a way to mount a single din flip out w android auto? You'll have some cutting to do for sure.

 

[Jeffrey Routman]

When you say " all of your buttons/controls go with" it, are you referencing just the volume, tune and directional arrows or also the A/C controls including the rear controls?

 

[Aspen03]

Removing the radio and bezel you lose all of your hvac, climate controlled seats, and radio controls. There is no replacement for this in the expedition for use with aftermarket radios.

This is what goes away.

 

[Jeffrey Routman]

Gotcha. I'll report back if I figure something out.

Always a work around but the information gets me a lot closer.

Thank you

 

[TC16XLT]

Ok, I went through this, you’re not alone in your frustration [emoji23]

I broke down, purchased these two (links below), a great 5 channel amp, replaced the factory sub in enclosure, all of my speakers ( Kx series Kickers are awesome), spent 3 days, on and off, removing every bit of audio in my ‘16, and finally rewiring all of it. Both of these links will save you an unimaginable amount of time.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D9W3CHY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_tl7tFb20QQFYH

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QU1JIE2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Sp7tFbMZ871YD

If I have to keep the crap 4” screen, all I want is the signal. Best of luck!


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[TC16XLT]

Ok, I went through this, you’re not alone in your frustration [emoji23]

I broke down, purchased these two (links below), a great 5 channel amp, replaced the factory sub in enclosure, all of my speakers ( Kx series Kickers are awesome), spent 3 days, on and off, removing every bit of audio in my ‘16, and finally rewiring all of it. Both of these links will save you an unimaginable amount of time.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D9W3CHY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_tl7tFb20QQFYH

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QU1JIE2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Sp7tFbMZ871YD

If I have to keep the crap 4” screen, all I want is the signal. Best of luck!


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[Cyclone]

 

[Falcor_2017]

How much? DIY or professional?

 

[GAINMOB]

go to www.crutchfirled.com and "outfit your car" it will show you everything on the market today and they offer lifetime help...they also offer all the harnesses needed to keep steering wheels controls and to hookup the hu

 

[joethefordguy]

off topic...

I started with crutchfield and only accidentally discovered that many new head units include a disable feature. apparently, you have to stop the car, put the parking brake on, and trans in park to do anything more than change the station. maybe even put it in the garage, remove the keys and lock all the doors.
there are aftermarket disabler disablers, but I'd really hate to do that.

is anyone aware of any actual car radios that let you control your radio while driving?

 

[GAINMOB]

Yes...u have to either do a wire bypass or code sequence bypass on the unit...i had pioneer avic-d3 that I had done the wire bypass which was grounding the parking break wire...i now have a pioneer 8200NEX and all I have to do to enable the feature to watch movies while driving is press and bottom right corner... all found on YouTube

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[joethefordguy]

Yes...u have to either do a wire bypass or code sequence bypass on the unit...i had pioneer avic-d3 that I had done the wire bypass which was grounding the parking break wire...i now have a pioneer 8200NEX and all I have to do to enable the feature to watch movies while driving is press and bottom right corner... all found on YouTube
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thanks for your fast response.
however, I'm sorry, I should have been more clear: by " aftermarket disabler disablers..." I include any and all wire bypass. I am looking for a radio that does not include that feature to begin with.

 

[Dennis_H]

I put a Kenwood in my son's truck and just grounded the ebrake wire to the back of the radio. Not sure if others are the same ease,

 

[GAINMOB]

There's no way to know or not know in advance... get something without a screen... it's not published in their stuff if it can or can't be bypassed or not...

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[joethefordguy]

There's no way to know or not know in advance... get something without a screen... it's not published in their stuff if it can or can't be bypassed or not...

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unless you're buying "made in screwistan" junk, you can know that in advance. The manual will specify that somewhere. It can be hard to find, but it will in be in there. that's what I meant when I said I found out by "accident" - i was reading the online manual when i found it.
the "accident" was that I decided to peruse the entire online manual before I pulled the trigger on the purchase.