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Platinum Towing Experiences

Discussion in '4th Gen - 2018 - present' started by Fizzy, Feb 12, 2021.

  1. Lou Hamilton

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    Your best bet is to load it up as if you were traveling and then take it to the scales.

    If it not busy, I would do one of just the Expedition loaded. This will give you an idea of the axle weights before the trailer is attached.

    A second with the trailer connected. This will give you the tongue weight because you will see what the additional rear axle weight is.

    Either go before or after with just you and your Expedition empty, but in your normal daily driving configuration (keep everything you normally have in your glove box, center console, rear area). This will give you your “updated” curb weight. You can use this new value to calculate your “new” payload value (GVWR - Curb weight = Payload).

    I have done a ton of research and built a few spreadsheets to help me figure out different vehicles and trailers to see what I might really be able to tow.

    There is a dedicated towing forum if you want to get into a really detailed discussion with a bunch of guys and gals who do a ton of towing on all kinds of trailers and campers.


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    But Fizzy (the OP) doesn’t have the trailer yet. In which case his best bet is to ask the owners forums/Facebook groups for the tongue weights of people who own the models he’s considering.
     
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    Great point - I don’t want to buy it only to find out I need a different tow vehicle! But Lou’s process is a solid one once I get it to make sure it’s all balanced.
     
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    Two adults and 2 kids here. Also shopping ideas. Beyond the payload challenge is our experience with camp availability especially today where we have dropped a camp trip for an airbnb because the # of people RVing and car camping today has exploded no availability anywhere. . My current setup is a 4x6 trailer 12ft long. Our plan to upgrade has been put on hold given we wouldn’t be able to use it if we wanted to use it. Plus my max is 19ft so we can / could still easily fit in National Parks etc. For us the max tow Expedition was chosen for a few reasons not just the 9300lb. I predict a severe post COVID RV crash especially at the storage fees I’m hearing about along with pretty much zero availability for sites unless you book 6+ months out. Trailer size can be a big negative in where you can get a site especially today.
     
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    2 adults, 4 kids, 18’ box (22’ 3” coupler to bumper). This is one of several reasons why we went short. The shorter the rig, the more campsites there are. We can always take a site that’ll fit a longer trailer...
     
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    I tow a 7500 lb boat with my Limited and the first thing I bought after the first tow was a set of Sumo Springs. The following season I did the Helwig sway bar. With those in place it is a decent tow vehicle. Still would be better with air shocks, but at least it is stable at highway speeds now. I only do a couple thousand miles per year towing at speed with 5 people, so it meets my needs with the upgrades.
     
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    No problems. Good power uphill, the tow/haul mode finds all the right shift points and does excellent engine braking on the down hills. It's a great tow vehicle and very comfortable.
     
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    We tow a 2800BH Grand Design. It’s 32 feet long and GVWR is 7995. Listen it’s big but the sway isn’t bad at all. People throw out so many numbers at you and percentages to stay under but listen the numbers don’t lie. Payload is where you run out. We pretty much max out our limited max with the family and the trailer. You have to be careful of your tongue weight because that directly eats at your payload and provides stability while towing. Out of the factory it was 630 tongue, but life’s up I’m pushing 800-900. Those front pass throughs have so much room in trailers this day in age but it is a balance of front and rear weight to balance younger weight and stability. For instance, if I put something really heavy up front I tend to balance it in the back. Then it’s an estimation game of about 11-12 percent tongue weight. I do utilize a curt better weigh Bluetooth scale. It works great and the math doesn’t lie. Still tweaking my hitch but my 4 point equalizer has 8 washers to transfer weight to the front and weight wise it is very balanced.


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    You can figure out part of it before buying a camper. It will actually help you figure out if a camper you are looking at is too heavy.

    Take the Expedition to the scales with what it ways as a daily driver (without you in it). This would be your CURB WEIGHT.

    Take it again when it is packed up with you and your family and all cargo that you think would be in the Expedition when traveling with the camper. This will get you what the vehicle LOADED WEIGHT is.

    This will allow you to figure out the remaining payload for the hitch.

    GVWR - Curb Weight = Total Payload

    GVWR - Loaded Weight = Remaining Payload

    Also remember that the tongue weight listed by most manufacturers is without batteries (~70 lbs per battery) and propane (~40 pounds per 20 gal tank, ~55 pounds per 30 gal tank, and ~70 pounds per 40 gal tank). That needs to be added to what the manufacturers state the tongue weight is. To be honest, even that will be light because adding items in front of the axles inside the camper adds something to the tongue weight.

    As an example, my campers empty tongue weight is about 250 pounds. Loaded with a single battery, a single 20 pound propane tank, two bikes on a tongue rack, and cargo in the front storage has increased my tongue weight to about 520 pounds. It might even be more if I did not have some weight in the rear cargo area and a few bins white traveling on the bed at the back of the camper.


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    I know this is Fizzy’s thread; have you weighed the entire setup at a CAT scale? Curious to see all the weights. We’ve been looking at a 2400BH to keep both length and weight down.

    Thanks in advance.
     

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