Should i tackle exhaust manifold

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Hey Guys,

I am a newbie here but want to pose a question to you all. I have a 2000 Ford Expedition XLT and I have noticed the ticking sound on the passenger side has grown louder of time as the trucker has aged.

I am assuming where I can hear the noise coming from it's most likely my exhaust manifold. I have checked the nuts and studs and there are no broken studs and it lookd like the studs still have their shape and have not been eaten to badly from the rust.

The only thing I have noticed is that the nuts looked seized to the manifold from the rust over time. I have read many horror stories from the studs breaking off in the heads and having to remove the heads and have the threads re-tapped. I am thinking since none of my studs are broken and the nuts still have shape for a socket to move them, I might be able to make this project a DIY? I think if I propane torch the surrounding area around the stud and throw some ice cold water on it I should be able to break the rust loose? I was also wondering if getting a nut splitter and removing the nuts that way would be better?

Any comments or suggestions?
 

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I did mine on a 2002 5.4 and replaced them with gibson headers .Saying that I would probaly get a shop to do it next time if the price was right. If you have a body lift it makes it easier. I had 2 studs break lucky there was alittle left to grab and twist out. Its mainly just a tight spot to work. I also do live in Toronto Ont. where we use salt on the roads ..lots and lots of salt.:p I had a broken exhuast manifold.
 
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depends on how long you want to be without it. Patience is warranted with this. I just did it this winter on my 97. I had three studs broken on mine. Didnt have the time to remove the head because i couldnt get the studs out no matter what i tried so i had to jerryrig it. Havent had a problem since. I got summits rebranded pacesetters. Drivers side is harder due to the brake lines in the way. Removing the wheel well liners makes it a lot easier. didnt really want to cheat but i couldnt keep it down long enough to justify removing heads and paying more money for a shop to fix it correctly and find something else needing attention. It is doable. I soaked everything in pb blaster and atf/paint thinner mix and despite the 3 studs all others worked out after playing with them. It can be done.
 

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Since it's a big job that can easily turn in to a nightmare, I'd make sure that the noise is actually an exhaust leak. It would be a shame to kill youself doing the manifold for nothing. If you don't see any tell tale carbon deposits around the manifold, it may be something else.
 

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The way i found mine was by spraying soapy water around the mating surface of the manifold to the head. Do it while the engine is cold otherwise the heat will evaporate the water quick. Another way i was prepared to do it was by putting an inspection mirror that was a bit cool not cold around the flange to see if i could get any fogging on the mirror. Chances are that you have already found the issue. Good luck.
 
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The way i found mine was by spraying soapy water around the mating surface of the manifold to the head. Do it while the engine is cold otherwise the heat will evaporate the water quick. Another way i was prepared to do it was by putting an inspection mirror that was a bit cool not cold around the flange to see if i could get any fogging on the mirror. Chances are that you have already found the issue. Good luck.

Well, I have noticed that most of you are located way north of me, meaning most of you have seen your fair share of salt during the cold winter. My truck saw very little salt in the southern part of Virginia for maybe four years and spent the last six years of it's life in the state of Florida, which means the only salt the truck has seen down here was salt from a margarita glass during happy hour.

After reading most of your posts the major of you state that the nuts where so rusted the nuts were rounded. My nuts still have shape to them "No pun intended" and the studs have not been eaten entirely by rusted and the threads are still intacted.

I want to know if any of you used a nut splitter and can you explain how to use one? It seems like after reading post after post folks have tried to breaking loose the nut and after trying to do so they broke the stud off, sometimes in the head. My thinking is if I use a nut splitter once the nut is removed I can then grab hold of a soaked stud in PB Plaster and just twist out? Am I making this process sound to easy? If any of you have some real world experience or a good DIY write up on a nut splitter please post a link or send me a pm.

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Well I'll take a stab. Never heard of a nut splitter. However once i did get the manifold off i put on a stud extractor and those studs are stuck in the head really well. Not just due to rust but to time, contraction and also i heard that ford used the wrong hardware anyways. So good luck. I did have a 1/4 to a 1/2'' worth of stud to work with but a couple would just not move no matter what i did. All i wound up doing was stripping the metal off of the stud. Soak it really well over a couple of days. I did mine a day prior so who knows you may fair better.
 

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R&R the right Exhaust Manifold

My legal disclaimer: I don’t not recommend anyone doing this, this is just what I did….;-)
A nut splitter won't work, you cant get it in the tight space.
OK, this job is a ***** on an older vehicle; I just did it to the passenger side (97 Expedition 120K) because of a rust hole in the manifold.
This is what I did. Remove the wheel.
Remove the plastic cover under the fender.
I removed the air shock because I was replacing it anyway.
Mine was so rusted that I fought it for hours, if you don't have extreme patients and time don’t even try it! You WILL break off a stud if you don’t use heat and PB Blaster (or something as good), this is a guarantee. When you are ready to give up and have a friend steal it for the insurance money, just walk away and come back to it the next day or after a break, you will get it.
You need a torch to get the nuts and studs RED hot. Don’t try to get the studs off while they are red hot, let them cool for a minute.
Make sure you have deep nut extractor sockets that are good quality, I used Snap-on. You might need different sizes depending on how much of the nut is left. Also a deep socket extractor for extracting studs, not that round stud remover tool they sell at the auto parts stores, it won’t fit in the tight space.
I chiseled off the bolts holding the exhaust to the manifold they were rusted so badly they just popped off.
Knock as much of the rust off of the nuts as you can. Start spraying the nuts and studs as much as possible a couple of days in advance.
Just unbolt and get anything out of the way that you can, AC lines, etc. Don’t burn anything up with the torch and be careful of heating the Aluminum head to much!
I started with the nut that was the easiest to get to so I could get a feel for how to get the ones that are a ***** to get to. I used a mirror to see some of the nuts I couldn’t see.
Get the nut red hot, and I do mean red hot.
Spray the nut with PB Blaster and watch as the fluid gets sucked into the nut and stud and starts a little fire. You do have a fire extinguisher close by!
Get the nut hot again and then tap or pry on the nut extractor and work it slowly until it bites and hopefully it will come off the first try, if not (most likely) repeat the process. If you are lucky the stud will come out with it!
Now, you are going to have a hard time getting the lower one behind the shock mount.
I used an acetylene and oxygen welding torch with the smallest flame I could get. I used Mapp gas to get a rusted filler plug out of the differential and it might work for the manifold if you have a torch that will give you a small hot flame.
The manifold is a tight fit, but it will come out pulling it to the front of the engine.
Now for the studs that are left: Get them red hot spray with PB Blaster, let them cool a little and put the stud extractor or a smaller deep socket nut extractor on it and work it out slowly, if you think it is at the breaking point, STOP and re-heat, spray again and repeat the process. Yes I broke one stud, but I was lucky and it left about a ¼ inch and it was in a spot I could get to. I mig welded a fresh nut to the stud, heated and sprayed again and it came right out. You might have to build up the stud with the welder first too.
Just know before you start, you might not get as lucky as I was and might have to take the head off to remove broken stud (s). There is plenty of info about extracting studs on the internet. You might have an easier time getting to everything if you unbolt the motor mounts and jack up the motor, I didn’t have to.
If all goes well, here is another tip that will save you time installing the new manifold that I didn’t know until I messed up and put all the studs back in the head. I couldn’t get the manifold on with all the studs in the head because of the shock mount and the studs in the manifold that attach to the exhaust. Tape the gasket in place or whatever, and line the manifold up, then run the studs in! Don’t forget the anti-seize. You are going to have to use a combination of ratchets and tools to get to the nuts, for the R&R so be ready to be creative. If you don’t know what mean, don’t even try this job. As a foot note, I have been a shade tree mechanic for over 30 years and this was hard with no lift. My buddy that is a Ford mechanic walked me through this fix and he gets $200.00 labor a side to replace these, on the side, and he has a lift and every tool you can think of. If the studs break off on him or at any shop, they will charge you to take off the head and get the studs out, (A reputable mechanic will tell you this up-front) but using this method he very rarely has to do that, but he has been doing it for a long time and used to work at a Ford stealer ship for years.
I’m sure I forgot some steps that are basic mechanics 101, but you get the idea.
I don’t know how the rest of the Expeditions are holding up for rust, but mine is rusted underneath to pieces. I bought it new and have never had it off road or near water except for rain. My differential cover even rusted through! Almost time for the scrap yard or some kid to mess with!
If you disregard my legal disclaimer and try this, I hope it helps and good luck! This site has been really helpful to me and I just wanted to give back.
 
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