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Steering Vibration 2022 Ford Expedition Max SPP
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Didn't get them put on yet! Probably will try to get them on today - I'll let you know!
George2022
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Any updates, same issue and about to take it back to dealership.
George2022
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I called the dealership to schedule the drop off. The earliest date is December 20th. The customer service guy said based on his experience with previous customers the only way to fix the issue is by replacing the tires. He checked their tickets and found at least three customers with same issue same 2022 expedition SPP. At this point I think Ford should recall the tires. Anyway, he said two of the customer paid for new tires. I asked if Ford can give me a credit, he said he was not sure if they can request the credit.
Just got them on and drove down the interstate about 5 miles. As far as I can tell, it fixed the problem from my short road test.
Dealer replaced my generals with Defender LTX M/S - Ford picked up the tab. On my 20 min ride home, it's noticeably better. Rides like a truck, but with a very firm suspension. Tech came out and said the Michelins required far less weight to balance, one tire went from 5 oz (yes, 10 little weight stickers) down to 1.5 oz, just to show the quality of the QC with different brands.
Dealer had a 2019 or 2020 LTD Stealth on the lot, low miles (~28k), I took it for a ride to compare the drive. The 19/20 likely has more break-in, but the suspension feels softer and more forgiving than my 2022. The one thing I did notice was body roll. My 2022 is pretty planted through turns, over bumps, if a little harsh/firm, the 19/20 it tended to lean a bit more and the "softness" was felt. I'm not sure if it had CCD, my 2022 does not, but the ride was different.
Hopefully this fixed the issue.
Dealer had a 2019 or 2020 LTD Stealth on the lot, low miles (~28k), I took it for a ride to compare the drive. The 19/20 likely has more break-in, but the suspension feels softer and more forgiving than my 2022. The one thing I did notice was body roll. My 2022 is pretty planted through turns, over bumps, if a little harsh/firm, the 19/20 it tended to lean a bit more and the "softness" was felt. I'm not sure if it had CCD, my 2022 does not, but the ride was different.
Hopefully this fixed the issue.
The base springs on the pre refresh were firm. If the 20 you drove had 22s, it most likely had ccd. The base suspension handles world's better than the ccd, but the ride is vastly better. It is nice you have the opt now, but I the ride is firm enough on 20in, so I think 22in would be too much without the ccd.
I put on my winter wheels and tires - doesn't seem to be much change in regard to vibrations. It's weird because it's pretty smooth up until about 70-75 - hard to tell any vibrations outside of the normal road feel. However, by the time I hit 80 everything is shaking really badly - the dash, hood, all the seats, etc. The steering wheel doesn't shake, though.
I’ve never had good luck with any winter tires over 75/80 mph. While they might be rated for 112mph, unless it’s freezing out, I always have an unsettled feeling over that speed. I chalk it up to the fact they are designed for snow and ice. Not extended use or high speeds. That speed also creates a good deal of heat.
I don’t have dedicated winters for the expy though. So can’t comment on this model.
If it’s consistent and smooth up to 70, Maybe check the rear rotors. If they are out of balance it will vibrate at high speed too.
I have the same issue (on the original tires). Been to the dealer 3 times for roadforce balancing. Each time it has gotten a bit better, but still vibrates starting around 75. Can't get anywhere further with the dealer because they aren't allowed to drive the vehicle that fast to confirm the problem. I also have a set a winter wheels/tires on order. Should be here this week. Will be interesting to see if there is any difference. I have run winter wheels/tires on all of my vehicles for many years. Never had an issue with high speed balance issues.
Honestly I am starting to suspect something with the drivetrain or CCD suspension.
I also have a vibration at 85mph. Dealer did nothing because they are not allowed to go more then 70mph. I had a service tech tell me these cars are not meant to drive that fast. haha. I told him to Efff off. Never went back. Bell Ford in Phoenix AZ. Just saying… I’ve learned to live with it till I lift the truck and put new wheels on it.
Avee8tor
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This is quite disturbing as I have a 23 with CCD SPP on order. I had a 2018 that was smooth all the way to the speed limiter on the original tires. The interstate near me if you're not doing 80 your in the way!
Has anyone had the rims checked for being true as this appears to be a 22" wheel issue??
Has anyone had the rims checked for being true as this appears to be a 22" wheel issue??
Mine shakes badly over 80 with my 20” winter tires as well as the stock 22”.
leading theory is the tires are crap.
I’ve been following this issue for months.
Most, not all, the vibration issues people experience are fixed with road force balance or new tires.
The other thing to remember is these are not new components, very high overlap with previous 18-21 models. Nothing “special” about suspension or driveline for 22.
When diagnosing your issue detail the type of vibration. Is the car smooth up to x speed? Do you notice any subtle vibration that increases as speed changes? If you shift into or out of 4x4 does anything improve or get worse? Is the vibration consistent through turns and various road types? Where do you feel it first, hands or back/butt? If you apply slight brake pressure does it persist? Does it feel like a phone vibrating (i.e. high frequency) or more like tight rumble strips (low frequency) Etc. All these are common diagnostic questions, one persons tire issue won’t solve someone else’s CV joint problem.
I’ve been following this issue for months.
Most, not all, the vibration issues people experience are fixed with road force balance or new tires.
The other thing to remember is these are not new components, very high overlap with previous 18-21 models. Nothing “special” about suspension or driveline for 22.
When diagnosing your issue detail the type of vibration. Is the car smooth up to x speed? Do you notice any subtle vibration that increases as speed changes? If you shift into or out of 4x4 does anything improve or get worse? Is the vibration consistent through turns and various road types? Where do you feel it first, hands or back/butt? If you apply slight brake pressure does it persist? Does it feel like a phone vibrating (i.e. high frequency) or more like tight rumble strips (low frequency) Etc. All these are common diagnostic questions, one persons tire issue won’t solve someone else’s CV joint problem.
No issue with my SPP 22” stock Gaber. Went 80+ without vibration.
kpwhalen830
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My dealer has put 2 different sets of 22" tires and wheels on mine with no changes. The vehicles that the tires and wheels came off of both drove fine at 70+MPH. Dealer has "beat the tires and wheels to death". Now looking into driveline issues.
kpwhalen830
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Ford's field engineer came out on Monday to drive my expedition. He acknowledged the vibration and said that he wants to drive a new expedition with the same wheels and tires and consult with some other engineers. So I guess I wait longer now.
Did you get any answers??
kpwhalen830
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Ford basically told me to pound salt. After multiple attempts to fix the problem they decided that the problem is now acceptable. Here is what the Ford Feild Service Engineer said:
During my visit today we test drove a 2022 Navigator vehicle along the same route we took the clients vehicle on my last visit. During said drive, we were able to duplicate a vibration at 72MPH. I took readings of the vibration on my Electronic Vibration Analyzer, and then hooked up the same analyzer to the clients vehicle, and we took the clients vehicle long the same route. At the same speed along the same route we were able to duplicate a vibration on both vehicles which had an amplitude of 0.020 and a frequency of 12.5- 12.75 Hz. These readings matched the readings we obtained on a different 2022 Navigator vehicle on my last visit.
In the Ford Workshop manual for the 2022 Expedition, under Vibration and Harshness Diagnosis and Testing, indicates that a vibration with an amplitude under 0.06Gs is acceptable, and no corrective action is necessary. Given this, and the fact that we found 2 different like units equipped with the same size wheels/tires which exhibited this vibration, this would indicate that the vibration noticed by the client would be considered an undesirable characteristic of the Expedition/Navigator model line when equipped with 22’ wheels. At this time, no further diagnostic steps or repairs are recommended.
I am now in the process of requesting a buy back from Ford. If they do not buy it back I will get it bought back with New York State Lemon Law.
Did you drive the navigator with them along the same route? Was the vibration the same as your vehicle?
You might have a hard road ahead on the buyback and lemon law, especially if it's documented there isn't a measurable (out of spec) or repeatable issue.
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