That is really too bad. So they say it would be considered an undesirable characteristic but they won’t do anything about it?? What do they say about all the other ones that do not have this? I am feeling really lucky mine does not do this. Iv’e driven up to the mid 80’s with no vibration.
Steering Vibration 2022 Ford Expedition Max SPP
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My 21 stealth with 22’s always had a slight vibration above 70.
never had them rebalance because wasn’t bad enough to piss me off. 7,300 miles and wife drove over something and cut and ruined both passenger tires. Dealer was cheapest to replace 2 hankooks
and now as smooth as could be.
never had them rebalance because wasn’t bad enough to piss me off. 7,300 miles and wife drove over something and cut and ruined both passenger tires. Dealer was cheapest to replace 2 hankooks
and now as smooth as could be.
Does it really take a Field Service Engineer to road force balance the tires and find out that they are flat spotted?
Update on my SPP vibration. I posted earlier that after 3 tries at road force balancing at the dealer mine got marginally better. Still very noticeable over 80mph. Yesterday I installed my winter wheel/tire package. Huge improvement. Still a very subtle vibration starting in the upper-80's, but very tolerable. Proves to me two things. First, the factory tires are clearly the majority of the issue. Second, there is still something inherently wrong with the driveline of SPP that exacerbates the issue. I would be curious to find out if CCD is part of the issue, or at least with the 22's or possibly the CCD with the SPP tuning.
Got stock 22 SPP, just did a trip from AZ to CO, at few times passing I punch it to 100+, no issue with vibration. So far only 2000 miles on our first trip. Sorry to hear about your vibration.
Do you have CCD?
The stock general tires are complete crap. I went through 3 sets and then swapped for Defender LTX MS and it rides as it should now. It’s not a crossover so I do expect slightly more reverberation, but should ride smooth. (Physics and all with body on frame design)
I had 2 techs look at it and once the regional tech heard the issue they just approved going with different brand of tires.
As for the CCD or driveline, both are not unique to the SPP or ‘22 year or 22” wheels. They have been around a while with 18+ and are not different. Components (at least from what the parts.ford.com says). There are some marketing materials that suggest “sport tuning” but that is yet to be confirmed.
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kpwhalen830
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Ford has finally decided to buy mine back. I have a 2023 on order, hopefully that works out.
George2022
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How do you start Ford buy back process? Is there a website or an online form? Did you get the purchase price back or a trade in value?
I have a recently purchased 2022 Platinum with 22 inch wheels with the same concern you are having with speeds between 72-77 mph. Dealer replaced my rear driveshaft(they found a weight missing)that took care of some of the issue. I even replaced the General tires @9k with new Michelins which did improved the overall ride but I feel a harmonic vibration in the pedals, steering wheel and front floorboard. i’m done trying to let the dealer fix it I’m going to put it up on the rack and take a look myself at the exhaust and it mounts, Keep me posted and I will let you know what I find as well.
Do you get the vibration in when in 2H? I find I can feel a vibration when in 4A in the front through the floorboard and it goes away in 2H
Mr Big
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So many factors can cause vibration at high speeds. You have the obvious alignment and faulty tires. Then you have driveshaft balance, harmonic balancers, bearings, brake rotors and pad resistance, transmission, rear and front axle, axle and shaft joints, etc. Minimal vibrations at only certain speeds can be caused mostly by drive shaft, harmonic balancer, wheel balance. There could be more, but these are the most common. Here's a good place to start researching:
most common vehicle causes of vibration at certain speeds
most common vehicle causes of vibration at certain speeds
Calidad
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So a few things the Expedition front end is built like a giant sedan shared with the F150. The F250’s have a totally different front end design and totally different steering design (death wobbles) in the F250 worn out suspension and steering happens.
The rack / pinion steering on the Expedition doesn’t suffer the same F250 issues.
However!! The bigger wheels are definitely more prone to junk tire issues!! A bad tire will definitely cause issues and be noticeable. If your a second owner? These wide full sized suvs get the front passenger side wrecked all the time by people driving them like a Camry. Add a shop that swaps in cheap after market junk parts and its not a surprise if you come across a vibrating Expedition, F150 Tahoe etc.
I swapped out the OEM low rolling resistance passenger tires for BFG Trail Terrains all new design in 2021. Specifically designed for SUVs running bigger wheels that needed 3peak rated tires that still have good highway manners and don’t ruin mileage. They have been awesome tires with near zero negative changes and massively improved wet and snow traction over the junk stock tires.
I would be cautious putting lower quality heavy A/T tires on the Expedition 20/22 wheels given you will likely see vibrations and balance issues at higher speeds with tires that aren’t built to sedan standards regarding speed and balance quality.
If I were to move to 19 inch wheels then the cheaper truck a/t tires would make more sense. But these 22’s with BFG Trail Terrains have been excellent. Not the right combo for airing down for sand work but definitely excellent so far for firm surfaces and snow. Smooth zero vibration issues at high speeds
The rack / pinion steering on the Expedition doesn’t suffer the same F250 issues.
However!! The bigger wheels are definitely more prone to junk tire issues!! A bad tire will definitely cause issues and be noticeable. If your a second owner? These wide full sized suvs get the front passenger side wrecked all the time by people driving them like a Camry. Add a shop that swaps in cheap after market junk parts and its not a surprise if you come across a vibrating Expedition, F150 Tahoe etc.
I swapped out the OEM low rolling resistance passenger tires for BFG Trail Terrains all new design in 2021. Specifically designed for SUVs running bigger wheels that needed 3peak rated tires that still have good highway manners and don’t ruin mileage. They have been awesome tires with near zero negative changes and massively improved wet and snow traction over the junk stock tires.
I would be cautious putting lower quality heavy A/T tires on the Expedition 20/22 wheels given you will likely see vibrations and balance issues at higher speeds with tires that aren’t built to sedan standards regarding speed and balance quality.
If I were to move to 19 inch wheels then the cheaper truck a/t tires would make more sense. But these 22’s with BFG Trail Terrains have been excellent. Not the right combo for airing down for sand work but definitely excellent so far for firm surfaces and snow. Smooth zero vibration issues at high speeds
Mr Big
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I just read about this issue on another thread.
It appears that Certain newer years of Ford Expeditions had PermaSel Tire Puncture Sealant installed in their tires. This addon can cause the tire to get out of balance. I'm not sure if this is the issue with those who posted about high-speed vibration, but it very well could be the issue.
Read here: PermaSeal Tire Puncture Sealant
It appears that Certain newer years of Ford Expeditions had PermaSel Tire Puncture Sealant installed in their tires. This addon can cause the tire to get out of balance. I'm not sure if this is the issue with those who posted about high-speed vibration, but it very well could be the issue.
Read here: PermaSeal Tire Puncture Sealant
My issue when this happened was due to crappy tire manufacturing from general. 2 new sets plus a lot of road force balancing didn’t fix it. Swapped tire brands and it helped dramatically.
Still has an issue with flat spots but two mechanics I know said that is probably made worse by the 22” wheels without much sidewall. They said the truck has a lot of weight sitting on Crossover/SUV tires.
Axle balance and other rotating parts they tested by having the vehicle supported and Spun up to speed. Those components would still vibrate at speed without road force.
Mr Big
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What vehicle do you have?
My Expedition Platinum has 22s with Michelin Defenders. It is a very smooth ride with good traction and handling.
Calidad
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Definitely a must to go with quality tires due to weight, the big wheels and people seem to drive these big vehicles fast. Michelin tires and BFG SUV tires definitely work on these. The lower end truck tires have always been very spotty on balance quality given the target user’s generally aren’t running high speeds and just want value and durability. The Michelin highway tires are designed to carry large heavy vehicles at highway speeds without balancing issues. New SUV hybrid a/t tires are also targeting this type of use like the BFG Trail Terrain model all new in 2021 specifically for sporty SUVs needing a tire thats more than a basic highway tread ie 3peak rated etc.
2022 SPP 304a, i now have Michelin Defenders and it’s much improved. I’ve had these tires before on other vehicles, they are fantastic.
