Trailer Sway Control questions

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Could not agree more with the recommendation to check the WDH after it is installed by the RV Dealer. Mine was dramatically under distributed after they installed it. I ended up having to tweak the setup to ensure it was distributing enough weight to the front axle. Luckily I have an Equalizer and the manual has pretty clear instructions on it. Now it tows fantastically. My trailer is just over 30 feet and gross rating for the trailer is just about 7,700 pounds. Have fun with your new equipment and adventures!
 

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My 20 year old Sherline scale works well and takes up little storage space. Overkill for weighing a trailer a couple of times but if towing a variety of them is worth it to me.

Measuring devices are often most accurate in the middle range of their scales. A 1500 pound scale would put the 500 - 750 in the middle which is the required weight on the ball for a 5000 pound trailer. 1000 pound will work fine but maybe not for your "next" trailer.

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...1000 pound will work fine but maybe not for your "next" trailer.
THanks Chuck, but Wife already thinks this 24-footer we bought is YUGE!

Though of course, there have been times in history that women have changed their minds about things. ;-)
 

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That sounds like all good info. Concerning sway control and WDH adjustment, here's my two cents.

We're bicoastal. First bought a used 30' TT in Florida, and a 2014 Expedition Limited to bring it home to North Carolina. TT has a Fastway e2 WDH, which has friction load bars for anti-sway. Before driving it home, I measured wheel well height on and off hitch, as recommended by hitch instructions, and it seemed correct. The TT travels about 7600-8000 lb. The 2014 Expedition pulls it well, but it was unnerving to feel sway at 55, and when a truck passed, it swayed too strongly unless I preemptively moved far to the right of the lane. I figured I should have gone for a longer wheelbase or an F250.

Liked that TT so found the same model used in California, and a 2020 Expedition XLT for it. This TT has a Husky Centerline WDH, which also has friction load bars. The hitch needed height adjustment. Taking it apart, I could see it had never been torqued, and it was missing shims and spacer washers. I bought the parts, set up the hitch and supports, figured it was good, tightened to spec (as close as I could with my Harbor Freight torque indicator and extended breaker bar). Turns out you don't want to tighten to spec until you are certain you don't need further adjustment. I was too timid on the distribution, so needed to start over. The torqued big bolts could not be loosened by me, so I enlisted an Eckhart shop (to cut out the bolts) and bought the replacement bolts. The second setup took a couple of tries and was successful. Towing is solid. No sway at 55 or the occasional overspeed, no fear of passing trucks.

Regarding tominwi's original question, I have seen the 2020 Expedition assert sway control. The trailer sway was caused by me making a too-sharp "avoidance" turn. The Expedition worked the brakes to reduce speed and sway, and displayed a message box (in the middle of the information area in the dash) that said it was doing that. It felt smooth and took care of the sway in about two seconds, so I didn't need to do anything. I liked that a lot.

Setting up the hitch and supports: I just couldn't believe I'd need to jack up the hitch to where the Expedition's rear wheels might leave the ground while installing load bars, in order to get enought weight distributed to the front wheels when hitching is done. The hitch setup instructions and videos were not adequate to finish the job. I had to work out what to measure and what it meant and coordinate the hitch angle with the support positions to get a working setup.

Back to the first TT in NC. I took the hitch apart (it had never been torqued), then set it up perhaps five times, and moved the supports as well, until it looked and felt right. Final measurements of wheel well travel told me the distribution was even, even though these measurements did not fit with the hitch instructions. The towing is now quite satisfactory, no sway at 55, no sway from passing trucks, no need for longer wheelbase nor F250.
 

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Nice write up Old Guy! Tweaking these hitches can be a pain in the butt. These newer model Expeditions have independent rear suspension and come with P rated tires. Some owners have added sway bars or Sumo springs to take excess sway out. I added 10 ply BFG KO2'2 and air up to 65 psi when towing. Biggest problem for me is the tiny mirrors from the factory. Bought clamp on extension mirrors that didn't last long. 23.5 gallon tank on my '21 short wheelbase gets you about 200 miles before needing fuel. Bought our camper new 3 yrs ago to live in part time while our house was being repaired after hurricane Ida. Wife bought the Sherline 2000 lb scale and I've only used it about 2 or 3 times. I'd advise going to a truck scale and weigh the camper fully loaded and save some bucks!! Wife drives the Expedition and use it as a backup to my F250 that I bought for towing. Had 2 fifth wheels and this travel trailer has given me the most fits!!
 
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…Regarding tominwi's original question, I have seen the 2020 Expedition assert sway control. The trailer sway was caused by me making a too-sharp "avoidance" turn. The Expedition worked the brakes to reduce speed and sway, and displayed a message box (in the middle of the information area in the dash) that said it was doing that. It felt smooth and took care of the sway in about two seconds, so I didn't need to do anything. I liked that a lot…
If there are more stories on the internet of actual Ford Expedition sway control operation, I have not seen them so many thanks for that. Perhaps it’s simply that it’s “old news” but compared to my other truck which is from 2005 well our new Expy is like the Starship Enterprise to me.

Hopefully this spring and summer I will actually learn how to drive it.

A residual concern of mine regards mirrors. My TT is just 88” wide but I still expect to not see behind very well?
 

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A residual concern of mine regards mirrors. My TT is just 88” wide but I still expect to not see behind very well?
I've used these mirrors successfully. Have to crank them down tight, or else you might lose one. Ask me how I know :). Perils of having your children assist with trailering setup.

 
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I've used these mirrors successfully. Have to crank them down tight, or else you might lose one. Ask me how I know :). Perils of having your children assist with trailering setup.

Cool. Assuming you take them off when not towing, do they leave marks? Does your Expy have the "puddle light" knobby thing to clear also?
 
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Cool. Assuming you take them off when not towing, do they leave marks? Does your Expy have the "puddle light" knobby thing to clear also?
I never noticed any marks. The straps and buckles are rubber and plastic. Be sure to clean the mirror housing first. I didn't have any issues with fit but Amazon is pretty good about returns if you don't like them. The one issue I had is that the extra drag can result in the mirror folding if there are headwinds.
 

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I've been using this same set of McKesh mirrors since 2003 -- yep, the same set. Replaced the pads that touch the door maybe once. I set their width so I can see farther behind the trailer. They stay in the camper when it's in storage. I don't obsess over the finish on the truck -- it ain't going to Pebble Beach for the Concours d'Elegance.

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I've been using this same set of McKesh mirrors since 2003 -- yep, the same set. Replaced the pads that touch the door maybe once. I set their width so I can see farther behind the trailer. They stay in the camper when it's in storage. I don't obsess over the finish on the truck -- it ain't going to Pebble Beach for the Concours d'Elegance.

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-- Chuck
Haha my other truck is Honda from 2005. Only has 115K miles and while it looks pretty good still, it's our "beater" vehicle and I hope to keep it forever.
 

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Best mirrors I've had. Using them now on my 17', used same pair on my 10'.

Aero Mirrors
 
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I had the strap on mirrors extensions from Camco. Tightened them up and one strap broke. Super cheap China made junk...I'd stay away from these. Seems like the max towing package should include max visibility mirrors!!
 

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Haha my other truck is Honda from 2005. Only has 115K miles and while it looks pretty good still, it's our "beater" vehicle and I hope to keep it forever.
The car next to my Expedition in the little photo on the left is a 2006 Honda. Only a year newer than yours. Like you l'll let my widow sell it. :) No towing.

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I had the strap on mirrors extensions from Camco. Tightened them up and one strap broke. Super cheap China made junk...I'd stay away from these. Seems like the max towing package should include max visibility mirrors!!
Yes, they already fold-in tight, why not add extend-out???
 
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The car next to my Expedition in the little photo on the left is a 2006 Honda. Only a year newer than yours. Like you l'll let my widow sell it. :) No towing.

-- Chuck
I like to brag that we got the first 2006 Honda Ridgeline sold in Austin Texas back in March of 2005. Wife had wanted a Pilot but when we heard their new Truck was coming-out, we were ahem all-in! It continues to serve us well.
 
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The following explanation of the Expedition's Trailer Sway Control is provided by grok.com:

The 2024 Ford Expedition's Trailer Sway Control (TSC) is an advanced safety feature designed to enhance stability when towing a trailer. It operates as an integrated part of the vehicle’s broader AdvanceTrac® with Roll Stability Control™ (RSC™) system, leveraging a combination of sensors, software algorithms, and precise control mechanisms to detect and mitigate trailer sway before it becomes a significant issue. Here’s a detailed breakdown of how it works:

### Core Mechanism
Trailer sway occurs when a trailer begins to oscillate side-to-side due to external factors like wind gusts, uneven road surfaces, passing vehicles, or improper loading. If unchecked, this can lead to loss of control, fishtailing, or even a rollover. The TSC system actively monitors and corrects this instability using the following technical components and processes:

1. **Yaw Rate Sensing**:
- The system relies on a yaw rate sensor, a key component of the AdvanceTrac® system, which measures the vehicle’s angular velocity around its vertical axis (i.e., how much it’s rotating side-to-side). When towing, this sensor can detect irregular yaw motion that deviates from the driver’s intended steering input, indicating potential trailer sway.

2. **Detection of Sway**:
- Sophisticated software algorithms analyze the yaw rate data in real time, comparing it to a baseline of normal vehicle behavior. The system distinguishes between intentional maneuvers (like turning a corner) and unintended oscillations caused by trailer sway. It does this by cross-referencing steering angle, vehicle speed, and lateral acceleration data from additional sensors.

3. **Corrective Actions**:
- Once sway is detected, TSC intervenes with two primary methods:
- **Asymmetric Braking**: The system applies selective braking to individual wheels—typically on the opposite side of the sway direction. For example, if the trailer sways to the right, brakes might be applied more forcefully to the left-side wheels. This creates a counteracting force that pulls the vehicle and trailer back into alignment.
- **Engine Torque Reduction**: Simultaneously, the system reduces engine torque by adjusting throttle input. Lowering the power transmitted to the wheels reduces the forces exacerbating the sway, giving the braking action more effectiveness.

4. **Feedback to Driver**:
- When TSC activates, the driver may notice a pulsing sensation in the brake pedal and see the stability control warning light flash on the dashboard. These cues indicate the system is working to stabilize the rig.

### Technical Integration
- **Sensor Suite**: Beyond the yaw rate sensor, TSC uses inputs from wheel speed sensors, a steering angle sensor, and a lateral accelerometer. These provide a comprehensive picture of the vehicle-trailer dynamics.
- **Electronic Stability Control (ESC)**: TSC is an extension of the Expedition’s ESC system, which already manages traction and stability. The ESC’s ability to modulate brakes and engine power is repurposed specifically for trailer sway mitigation.
- **Compatibility with Trailer Size**: The system is designed to work with trailers up to the Expedition’s maximum towing capacity (around 9,000–9,300 lbs when properly equipped with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package). It assumes proper trailer loading and hitch setup, as excessive tongue weight or poor weight distribution can overwhelm even advanced sway control.

### Operational Nuances
- **Proactive and Reactive**: TSC is both proactive (detecting early signs of sway) and reactive (correcting it once it begins). The system’s response time is near-instantaneous, thanks to high-speed processing in the vehicle’s electronic control unit (ECU).
- **Adjustability**: In some configurations, drivers can disable TSC manually via the vehicle’s stability control settings (as noted in Ford’s owner manuals), though this is generally not recommended unless specific towing conditions require it.
- **Synergy with Other Features**: On higher trims like the Platinum MAX, TSC integrates with features like the Trailer Reverse Guidance and Pro Trailer Backup Assist, enhancing overall towing confidence.

### Limitations and Considerations
- **Not a Cure-All**: While highly effective, TSC cannot fully compensate for severe mechanical issues (e.g., a blown trailer tire) or extreme conditions beyond the vehicle’s design limits. Proper trailer setup—balanced loading, correct tongue weight (typically 10-15% of trailer weight), and secure hitching—remains critical.
- **Driver Awareness**: The system reduces sway but doesn’t eliminate the need for cautious driving, especially at high speeds or in gusty winds.

### Real-World Performance
In the 2024 Ford Expedition, powered by a 3.5L EcoBoost® V6 engine and paired with a 10-speed SelectShift® automatic transmission, TSC complements the vehicle’s robust towing capability. The fully boxed frame and independent multilink rear suspension provide a stable platform, while TSC adds an intelligent layer of control. Owners towing trailers up to 9,000 lbs (e.g., small campers or boats) benefit from this system, which Ford has refined over years of implementation across its truck and SUV lineup.

In summary, the Trailer Sway Control on the 2024 Ford Expedition uses real-time sensor data, selective braking, and torque management to detect and correct trailer oscillations, ensuring safer towing. It’s a seamless, driver-transparent technology that enhances the Expedition’s reputation as a capable full-size SUV for family adventures and heavy-duty tasks alike.
 

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As an RV dealership service manager, I recommend that anyone using a W/D hitch inspect what you expect. In other words, assume that it has "not" been set up correctly and go through the drill of checking all settings yourself. Tominwi you may experience excessive porpoising with the Blue Ox hitch while towing with the Expedition, if so, the Equalizer brand and some others can offer a better towing experience with that tow vehicle.
 
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